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This is a discussion on Differences Between an ESTJ and an ENTJ within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by thehigher I think it's weird when ESTJ's and ENTJ's call each other emotional. You may see that ...

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by thehigher View Post
    I think it's weird when ESTJ's and ENTJ's call each other emotional. You may see that in each other but really you both are just as emotional as each other. What you may be referring to is how that emotion gets manifested. ESTJ's get annoyed and angry and small things.... little bitty logical inconsistencies. ENTJ's can let that stuff slide if it is good for the bigger picture. However.... ENTJ's can get annoyed and angry and big things... I don't think I need to give examples.

    It's interesting because both of you possess Fi as your fourth function. So yes.... you all are somewhat emotional under your giant wall of order ..... but that doesn't mean either of you is more emotional than the other. That's my job
    Hahahaha, touche!

    Yes, we probably are a little bit of a mirror of each other, but I don't know how many would actually admit that. I can get emotional just like the next person and my bursts of anger can be quite mighty indeed... if you push me to the point where my wall comes down and emotion comes flooding out.... I apparently sound and act like a completely insane person who can get really, really, really loud :)

    But shhhhhh we don't like to think we are emotional... we don't handle it well, remember?
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  2. #12
    ENTJ - The Executives

    I don't really think that ESTJs' 'emotional-ness' as emotions, exactly. More like, what they believe as right/ proper/ how things must be. After years of not actually interacting with any, I just happened to meet/ talk with what I suspect as an ESTJ, and the way that he .. not clings, believes that (his, his people, etc) one way is the ONLY way chafed me. I'm familiar with ISTJs and ESFJs, but didn't know how much difference a letter could make.

    It's not that they don't consider the alternatives, for them there aren't any alternatives. I find that tendency peculiar and abrasive. Like facing a huge, squarish boulder that won't move. How strange. *stares at*
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  3. #13
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    It's not that they don't consider the alternatives, for them there aren't any alternatives. I find that tendency peculiar and abrasive. Like facing a huge, squarish boulder that won't move. How strange. *stares at*

    How would you typically approach a person with a heavy sensor preference that you might be right about something?

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Troisi View Post
    How would you typically approach a person with a heavy sensor preference that you might be right about something?
    Hmm, I don't know. Make them think they came up with the idea? Like guiding their thoughts bit by bit so it's their conclusion?

    And oh, you'll need proof. Preferably alot of it and something tangible/ widely accepted.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Troisi View Post
    How would you typically approach a person with a heavy sensor preference that you might be right about something?
    You make them believe, of course, that everyone else already has agreed that you are right. On top of that, you need self evident proof.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    From this thread, I've realized Te has a strong influence on the selection of J. (the answers in this thread aren't very introspective, but they're decisive and structured due to a lack of introspective ability but good extrospective ability). Ti leads to P due to introspection.

    ESTJ: This type is in the here and now. They care about what's practical for right now. This allows them to focus on a large amount of terms and details for the problem they're currently working on.

    ENTJ: This type has connective memory. In other words, one idea will remind them of another idea, and will lead to another etc. etc. This gives them the overall picture, but aren't good with large amounts of minute details.

    When these types are faced with a problem, such as building a hotel, they'll focus on which steps are needed to go into building the hotel, due to their Te. This, then this, then this, etc.

    If I wanted to build a hotel, I would put an ESTJ in charge of the actual building of the hotel, and an ENTJ in charge of creating the business plan.

  7. #17
    ENTJ - The Executives

    ESTJ = Control freak

    ENTJ = Speed Freak
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxies View Post
    Hahahaha, touche!

    Yes, we probably are a little bit of a mirror of each other, but I don't know how many would actually admit that. I can get emotional just like the next person and my bursts of anger can be quite mighty indeed... if you push me to the point where my wall comes down and emotion comes flooding out.... I apparently sound and act like a completely insane person who can get really, really, really loud :)

    But shhhhhh we don't like to think we are emotional... we don't handle it well, remember?
    Yess I know what you mean. I say the same thing about ISFPs.... like.... "yea they get emotional over retarded stuff.... wayyyyy too sensitive" and then next thing you know I'm extensively depressed because of some existential idea that hasn't even happened yet. I mean we are similar.... but that S and N difference really is a huge difference.

    Who said you sounded like a completely insane person who can get really loud? I'd like to see this xD

    And yess I know you aren't supposed to be emotional... see what I mean people? Take notes everyone. ESTJs would never admit this sort of thing. That's has to many logical real life consequences for saying "shhhh we dont like to think we are emotional... we don't handle it well, remember?" ..... that makes them think they are down a peg. But entj's know that that doesn't knock them down a peg..... well...... ok maybe it does for sensors.... but I don't know how they work.... I do..... but .....


    I'm rambling.

  9. #19
    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by Troisi View Post
    How would you typically approach a person with a heavy sensor preference that you might be right about something?
    I completely agree with vanitas. Spoon feed it. Let the estj be seemingly in control. If he thinks something is wrong..... if you disagree.... he'll back up his opinion with more reasons why it's wrong. Then again.... that's what he would do with me..... maybe you'll be able to out logic him. I think you are going to have to refine the intuitive reasons to a sensor level though... again like vanitas said. You must be able to explain why its practical..... and even why it's popular. I might find out what kind organization/group/philosophy the estj has commited his/her loyalties to and appeal to those.

    ..... or you could use a shovel
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  10. #20
    INTJ - The Scientists

    ESTJs are more tied to "approval conscience", that is, the wishes of close/respected ones will dictate his actions more than it would an ENTJs, and I'd say the same of "natural conscience" which is general right and wrong that pervades society. (ISTJ will favor "right and wrong" over approval, and INTJ is pretty much immune unless controlled by a sex drive, but still has the "natural conscience" )


    ESTJs are more moral, but easily manipulated. ENTJs seem to have more charisma, but ESTJs are more personable. As far as "emotional" goes, that's an individual thing related to control/confidence. I don't know ENTJs well enough, but I imagine they're frustrated when they have no control. Both are good at seeing opportunities in situations, and making money.. but ENTJs are subject to those "N" ruts..
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