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This is a discussion on INFJ's and atheism? My worldview. within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I've read a characteristic of INFJ's is that they're often deeply religious. I'm not, and I wondered if that made ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    INFJ's and atheism? My worldview.

    I've read a characteristic of INFJ's is that they're often deeply religious. I'm not, and I wondered if that made me unusual... but I realized that I DO have a deep spiritual value system rooted in natural science. Sounds a bit weird, but I wanted to share and see if anyone else has a similar point of view. I also wanted to get my thoughts down in writing to sorta examine them... er, don't know how well I did. Sorry this is so long and melodramatic! so i threw in pictures :D

    For me, I decided religions could teach important lessons. But I couldn't actually believe in one to explain the nature of reality - where we came from, where we should be going- because there are countless religions out there, none of which seems any more 'true' than any other. So I thought: well, what do we know about the world? That's when I started exploring my love of science more closely. I found that even without believing in deities or supernatural plans, the reality of nature and the cosmos is incredible enough to inspire me through life.



    For me it's a worthy miracle that, left to their own devices for several billion years, the laws of physics will eventually create atoms, molecules, gasses; from some of these gasses, stars; with some of these stars, planets; and on some of these planets, living cells. From these an explosion of ever-shifting life forms, shaping themselves through evolution -their quest for survival and a place in nature. When I look around me at other living creatures, it awes me that we are all cut from the same cloth: nurtured in the same womb of the Earth, sharing the bulk of our DNA. We have far more in common with animals (particularly mammals) than we differ. For all of us, the natural environments of Earth are the true homes we were designed for. In our bodies, most of the same neurotransmitters act to produce the same emotions -which is why we can bond with so many animals. Human "superiority" is a difference of degree and not kind - but is nevertheless something special.




    The human brain is the most complex object known in the Universe. We are (probably) the only Earth animal that can form sentences, craft complicated tools, and completely alter our enviornment thanks to our massive brains. But there's good evidence that the majority of human intelligence evolved as a result of social interaction. That's how we really triumphed: working together. Our social bonds like love, wherein we connect with another person, are enormously powerful, and there are endless biological mechanisms that serve to make our connections even stronger. Recently scientists have discovered something in the human brain called mirror neurons. These allow us to sync up with each other; look at two people walking and talking side-by-side and you'll often see they're striding in unison. When we read an emotion in someone's face, we can respond by triggering the same physiological reactions in ourselves. When we say "I feel your pain," we often aren't exaggerating.



    I think it's fine that people believe in religion (as long as they're not using it as an excuse to hurt others,) but I do get offended when the religious say atheists are less moral, just because we don't believe in an afterlife or divine punishment. I have an incredibly strong appreciation for the value of life, and I think it's strengthened because I don't believe in an afterlife. Because life is a living creature's one fleeting instant of being able to experience the Universe, flowers and birds and dinosaurs and galaxies in an endless parade of creation stretching to both ends of infinity. Even though it's really only a moment before we vanish forever, being able to witness this mind-blowing reality at all is priceless, and that should be treasured all the more because it's so brief.



    Equally amazing, I think, is us. Every human consciousness represents the crowning glory of evolution on this planet, an enormously complex being with singular thoughts, feelings, and experiences that can never be exactly duplicated. Further, working with other people, one could say, is part of our purpose on this Earth, since so much of human evolution is devoted to it. To truly know another human being is as precious an experience as to live -and I would not rob anyone of the freedom to enjoy these gifts before their due time.

    ...thanks for reading my huge post! felt good making it. anyone believe anything similar? or have any questions? I feel like i left a lot of important things out...
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    There is more merit in living a life of good without seeking reward.

    Spiritual Atheist is not a oxymoron, I know a good number of them. It's a great approach to life.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I'm Taoist...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Same with me! If you mean you get morals out of Religion rather then how the world was created that's how I think of Religion.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by lalalalalalalala View Post
    I'm Taoist...
    you must know a trick or two about the truth of yin yang then :D! just kidding

    i was born catholic and currently agnostic or areligious i guess

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    INFP - The Idealists

    I'm a secular humanist and I agree with your post. I'm also annoyed that sometimes religious people think non-religious people have no morals. Many religious people talk about respecting god, and I similarly want to respect humanity and those around me and my actions stem from that. My morals and values come from that.
    I found this interesting article on the subject: Good Without God: Secular Humanism and Morality- ExChristian.Net - Articles
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I agree with you Silverlined!
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I used to be quite deeply religious however in the last year or so I have become more atheist. On the one hand I have found it quite liberating but on the other hand I miss that reassurance and find it quite disturbing that we(I) could be alone. Hence why I have become interested in existenialism

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Sarahtonin,

    You write beautifully and intelligently on a deeply meaningful issue. My compliments. And the photographs were touching.

    On the INFJ and religion: From my impressions and anecdotal observations, it seems that INFJs have a need for an emotionally intense set of convictions. Religion is relational--it offers a connection with, or at least a narrative about, God--and this satisfies the "F" element; hence NFJs' (ENFJs too) attraction to religion. And the "J" element wants structure, organization, tradition, so tends to appreciate organized religion. And the "J" also wants conviction/certainty, and is therefore less likely than a "P" to be agnostic. But by the same "J" token, an INFJ is more likely to be an atheist (in the traditional "strong" atheist sense of the word) than an agnostic, because the "J" is uneasy with leaving questions open forever...and wants closure.

    Of course, there are many exceptions to rules, and each of us can transcend expectations and choose our own way.

    But as an agnostic INFP, not surprisingly I fit in with my own theory.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Sarahtonin - I love your choice of screen name! What an eloquent piece you wrote. I was raised in a very conservative, dour, Swedish Baptist household. No drinking. No dancing. No movies. No cards. Basically you were told that you couldn't enjoy this life much - just the one to come. Needless to say, this put me off from organized religion big time. I am convinced there is an afterlife, but I think that most of the things we humans called 'religion' or 'churches' have very little if anything to do with it. I recently heard a lecture by a Franciscan priest named Richard Rohr, and it was awesome. He said that he isn't into DISorganized religion - just UNorganized religion. You can find his stuff on the web - you might find it interesting.
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