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This is a discussion on Enneagram Type Synopses and Foci of Attention within the Articles forums, part of the Announcements category; I'm 4-1-5. I don't agree that fours "want to be different" as the stereotype goes. We want to personally understand ...

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    I'm 4-1-5. I don't agree that fours "want to be different" as the stereotype goes. We want to personally understand who we are when left detached from societal conditioning, but we often end up neurotic bc the modern civilized world has become averse to true self-searching. The "be yourself" of the modern world is more of a "run on autopilot regardless of how much culture sways your actions". Be how you've become, rather than become how you would be if it were just you.

    We really want to be ourselves.

    Personally, I've had the freedom of self-discovery because of a very permissive mother. So I'm not a hopeless romantic whose never satisfied.

    4s end up that way NOT because they don't want what they know (the familiar), but because they don't know what they want, and question the authenticity of their convictions until they've gotten to know themselves.

    We end up seeming romantic and contrarian because we're self-referential to the extreme. If we found more relateable modes of communication, and utilized more colloquialisms and shorthand, we'd probably just come across as unintentionally vague rather than intentionally maverick.

    The 1(w9) driven by a 4w5 makes me take on the "ethical" thing from an esoteric (ethic learned from within, not without) standpoint, so... my self-searching has a "gut" conviction packaged in: To know myself in order to know how to control myself in order to make more secure connections with others and act in an empathic way.

    If all 4s were romantic, I'd forego all that Other-oriented stuff and drown in myself. The hopeless romantic is an UNHEALTHY 4.

    We have intellects and convictions, too. We can find ourselves and use that knowledge to better see what we have in common with others.

    I'm happier now in discovering that some aspects of my "true self" is not that special. When left to my own devices, I still ended up loving Ariana Grande and reality TV.

    I don't shun that because I know I truly like her voice for acoustic/psychological reasons, and I'm not going to convince myself to dismiss my basicness just because it coincides with the status quo.

    A true non-conformist likes what they like bc they like it. A conformist likes what others like bc others like it.

    A "non-conformist" (who like something bc other people don't know it or don't like it) are still basing their actions and attitudes on *other people*.

    A truly contrarian personality is actually paradoxically conformist.

    I have deep fringe gnostic beliefs and an abstract, alien internal dialogue.

    I love shouting FIND YO MAMA GET YO LIFE and doing Whitney Houston impersonations.

    I love the parts of me that are alien, and I love the parts that are basic. Because "alien" and "basic" are only used to describe Who I Really Am compared to others.

    If you find yourself and understand yourself, even in a melancholic, painful angsty struggle along the way... and you come to love that self, you aren't hopeless and you don't avoid the ordinary

    You like what you like and don't get attached to relative descriptors like "ordinary" or "weird". You just like it and know when, and when NOT, you're being true to yourself.
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    Description to 7 (which I believe I am) is SO MUCH SPOT ON IT HURTS.

    EDIT: It actually seems to be describing me even better than MB test.

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    Okay, so now I have absolutely no idea what my Enneagram is. I can relate to the essence of every type, except 8. I hate fighting.

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    I feel like a six but it wasnt even in my top 3

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    I realized that when i try to focus on things logicaly,they tend to be some meaningless and some more meaningfull,after i gaved themthe same meaning.

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    I think that in some wide things,it's better to try hard than to fucus hard.

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    Would you mind sharing the source from which you found this information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diMaggio View Post
    I'm a bit confused about this (Type 5 - Observers):

    What exactly is meant by "spiritual" nonattachment?

    Is that supposed to be something like the feeling of religiosity that type fives are generally not attached to?
    But then how are these types confusing their spiritual/"I believe in Gaia/God/Something" nonattachment with their need to detach from emotional pain?

    Is it supposed to mean that Type fives don't want to believe/attach themselves to something spiritual, because they really don't want to open themselves up to the possibility of emotional pain (which the spiritual attachment apparently might lead to)??

    I'm really confused about this point, mainly because I don't believe this could be what this really means and I think I'm just missing the right interpretation.
    Does anybody have an idea?
    Yes, Spiritual non-attachment is related to the budhist/taoist prinicipal of not being attached to outcomes or having specific expectations. Like I am right an one with the world, and things have a natural outcome based on how I act/relate/present myself. There's no upset when things don't work out, but a lesson learned etc.
    Detaching from emotions mean treating them as separate or alternatively suppressing or repressing in the psychological sense.
    Also spiritual non-attachment as it is related to emotions can be the understanding that all communications outside myself are a projection of that person (by nature) and that my communications and emotions (or what I think and feel) are a projection onto relating outside of me, and the reality as I am percieving it in the moment. Ie the understanding that my perceptions are that, of my own personal nature and as my view of reality unfolds that I own it as mine and not as caused by someone else, Edit: but also that there is a non-attachment there - though my emotions are part of my reality I don't allow them to define reality, rather I understand that they are a projection onto reality as I see it.

    and yes, as a 5 personally I used to be very confused between non-attachment and detachment or repression/supression, in fact after trying to be budhist for a while I ended up hating them, believing that it was nothing but a technique to repress emotions. (not understanding that those were my projections about what I was seeing in budhism and my own personal experience (whether or not the practitioners were actually practicing non-attachment vs repression. ))
    Last edited by Nicholasjh1; 08-27-2018 at 04:24 PM.
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    Thanks for sharing.

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