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  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by expodentialfunction View Post
    What Type would MacArthur be ?
    Again based on Keirsey and others he was a NT as well, specifically ENTJ. I am in the belief that may be an accurate account of MacArthur since he seemed to have continued disputes with Truman and Eisenhower while they were presidents. Here is a snipet:
    MacArthur's personality was complex, chameleon-like, magnetic, and contradictory. He had an insatiable appetite for publicity, his actions and motives were often suspect, and his communiqués became notorious for their boasts and their distortion of the facts. But though he was vain, egotistical, and flamboyant, he was also, to those who knew him well, charming, gracious, and cultured. His real genius as a commander lay in his ability to plan and lead with imagination and boldness. But this genius was flawed by his almost paranoid reaction to criticism, by his flagrant disregard of, and contempt for, many of those in authority above him, and by his gathering officers around him more renowned for their slavish fidelity than their intelligence. As the US army chief of staff, General Marshall, once remarked to him: ‘You don't have a staff, General. You have a court.
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  2. #12

    Awesome! Thanks a bunch. :D

  3. #13

    what type would Sir John Monash be?

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  5. #14

    I have a feeling that Friedrich Paulus is ISTJ.

  6. #15

    Just by looking at Eisenhower, you can see some INTP.

  7. #16

    I love this post. I'm totally into WW2 stuff.

    My brother is a hardcore and tested ESTP. Him having ANY tactical knowledge beyond the squad level is ridiculous. I know I'm going on one person here but we do airsoft, a "warlike" physical sport with lots of action and the scenario games are filled with ESTPs. They just wanna go and kick ass, to spend ANY time looking at a battle map or planning is taboo to all of them. As a squad leader, sure.

    Also, how many ESTPs would have enough moral conviction to commit the risk of taking part in the attempted "valkyrie" assassination of Hitler? ESTPs seem much too concerned on the action and the fun to care about deep moral implications. But that's just my opinion, based on my study of MBTI.


    I would like to promote the idea of lesser-discussed General Curtis La May from World War II as a signed, sealed, and committed ENTJ in the most classical sense. Aww, gosh I can't remember it's name but a well-known documentary with Robert McNamara came out a few years ago (IMDB McNamara and you'll find it) and he discusses La May in detail. His fiery command style, his use of monosyllabic commands, and lust for tactics and anything to win. I think he's the general it's safest to bet on his MBTI type.

    My guess?

    Rommel: ESTJ

    While I know about the other generals mentioned I don't know enough about their personalities to hazard a guess.

  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Diphenhydramine View Post
    Erwin Rommel “The Desert Fox” ESTP

    He chased the British across the desert without care for logistics; his biggest criticism was that he outran his supply lines. An ENTJ with his dominant extraverted Thinking would not allow his logistics to go unmanaged. This is why I type him as an ESTP. His disregard for future consequences led to his downfall; but when he brought the British to battle he was ferocious and almost undefeatable.
    I couldn't tell you for sure what type of personality Rommel was, but I don't see his behavior in North Africa as being out of line for an ENTJ...

    I've played a fair amount of Risk in my time and I play very differently depending on what my strength is relative to my opponent's strength. If I'm in a superior position I'll bide my time and build up. I'll pay a lot of attention to detail and essentially make myself invincible if I have the time. Things are different if I'm losing to my opponents or more or less equal to them. Under those circumstances I try to break them before they gain a greater advantage, and I'll often make moves that other people see as being too risky.
    In my mind it's a question of whether or not it will be easier to make a push in the present or in the future, regardless of whether or not success is likely.

    There's a time to worry about logistics and there's a time for tactful ballstothewall aggression. Faced with the prospect of insufficient supply shipments from Germany and being outgunned by inferior weapons in North Africa, I can understand an ENTJ opting to make a push.
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  9. #18

    But I still think Rommel was ENTP. ENTJs - from my IRL experience - do not adapt as quickly, instead going with their "emergency plans" or similar, even though they were not designed with the actual events in mind. Therefore I believe him more P:ish and daring.

    Of course it is a sliding scale... And generalization. But more ENTP than ENTJ: more exploiting opportunities than making prepared plans and following them. But still strategic and intelligent; future scenarios-oriented. ENTJ-ENTP combo is probably - together with INTJ-ENTP - the best leader team. ESTP-ISTP good on the field leaders. ESTJs can also be good leaders if the conditions are not changing as fast and do not correlate to bigger events.

    Axis and Allies fan myself.


    EDIT: Actually they can be Fs too. Probably not, but many Fs are very logical as well.

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Kid View Post
    I couldn't tell you for sure what type of personality Rommel was, but I don't see his behavior in North Africa as being out of line for an ENTJ...

    I've played a fair amount of Risk in my time and I play very differently depending on what my strength is relative to my opponent's strength. If I'm in a superior position I'll bide my time and build up. I'll pay a lot of attention to detail and essentially make myself invincible if I have the time. Things are different if I'm losing to my opponents or more or less equal to them. Under those circumstances I try to break them before they gain a greater advantage, and I'll often make moves that other people see as being too risky.
    In my mind it's a question of whether or not it will be easier to make a push in the present or in the future, regardless of whether or not success is likely.

    There's a time to worry about logistics and there's a time for tactful ballstothewall aggression. Faced with the prospect of insufficient supply shipments from Germany and being outgunned by inferior weapons in North Africa, I can understand an ENTJ opting to make a push.
    Quote Originally Posted by ENTPreneur View Post
    But I still think Rommel was ENTP. ENTJs - from my IRL experience - do not adapt as quickly, instead going with their "emergency plans" or similar, even though they were not designed with the actual events in mind. Therefore I believe him more P:ish and daring.

    Of course it is a sliding scale... And generalization. But more ENTP than ENTJ: more exploiting opportunities than making prepared plans and following them. But still strategic and intelligent; future scenarios-oriented. ENTJ-ENTP combo is probably - together with INTJ-ENTP - the best leader team. ESTP-ISTP good on the field leaders. ESTJs can also be good leaders if the conditions are not changing as fast and do not correlate to bigger events.

    Axis and Allies fan myself.


    EDIT: Actually they can be Fs too. Probably not, but many Fs are very logical as well.
    I could see why some considered Rommel ENTJ, but not sure of ENTP. Per the first post here, ESTPs and ENTJs can look a-like, but their differences are quite obvious the likes of Generals Patton and Rommel (allegedly ESTP types) as opposed to MacArthur (allegedly ENTJ).
    What makes them look so much alike is the In-Charge™ Interaction Style. Both of these types want to get things accomplished and get that achievable result as quickly as possible. They have a fundamental belief that it is worth the risk to go ahead and decide and trust they can take care of anything that comes up. They tend to make quick decisions. For them, there is no such thing as a wrong decision, just one that didn’t work. Both tend to be very Directing in their communications and Initiating in the roles they take with others.
    But it's the core needs and language that should be quite indicative:
    Artisans have a core need for having the freedom to choose the next thing they are going to do with a drive to action and to make an impact, whereas Rationals have a core need for mastery, self-control, knowledge and competence.

    The temperament differences come in noticing their use of language, with the ESTP more likely to use language that describes things tangibly and the ENTJ language describes things conceptually.
    Consider the tactical language of Patton and Rommel in these quotes:
    But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
    Erwin Rommel

    Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.
    Erwin Rommel

    In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine.
    Erwin Rommel

    Sweat saves blood.
    Erwin Rommel

    A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
    George S. Patton

    A pint of sweat, saves a gallon of blood.
    George S. Patton

    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
    George S. Patton

    Always do everything you ask of those you command.
    George S. Patton

    Better to fight for something than live for nothing.
    George S. Patton

    Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.
    George S. Patton

    If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
    George S. Patton
    As opposed to MacArthur
    A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding.
    Douglas MacArthur

    A general is just as good or just as bad as the troops under his command make him.
    Douglas MacArthur

    Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul.
    Douglas MacArthur

    Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it.
    Douglas MacArthur

    Build me a son, O Lord, who will be strong enough to know when he is weak, and brave enough to face himself when he is afraid, one who will be proud and unbending in honest defeat, and humble and gentle in victory.
    Douglas MacArthur

    Could I have but a line a century hence crediting a contribution to the advance of peace, I would yield every honor which has been accorded by war.
    Douglas MacArthur

    Duty, Honor, Country. Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be.
    Douglas MacArthur

    I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.
    Douglas MacArthur

    I have known war as few men now living know it. It's very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes.
    Douglas MacArthur

    I suppose, in a way, this has become part of my soul. It is a symbol of my life. Whatever I have done that really matters, I've done wearing it. When the time comes, it will be in this that I journey forth. What greater honor could come to an American, and a soldier?
    Douglas MacArthur

    Life is a lively process of becoming.
    Douglas MacArthur
    Notice the two former speak literally and the latter metaphorically?
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  11. #20

    istp kick as by default...so all you leaders better watch you're selves around us..we take no prisoners


     
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