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    Okay.....I tried it out. Step 5 confused me....needs some clarification, IMO.Typing by childhood and shadow seems iffy also.....at least, if I was not sure of my type, it would only confuse me.

    Step 1:
    Who can really say.... But what the hell...these are how I relate to them:
    Fi=/>Ne>Ti=Ni>>Te=Si=Se>Fe

    Step 2:
    E: Ne-Te-Se-Fe
    I: Fi-Ti-Ni-Si

    Step 3:
    Highest introvert function: Fi
    Lowest introvert function: Si
    Highest extrovert function: Ne
    Lowest extrovert function: Fe

    (don't ask me what happened to Step 4)

    Step 5:
    I have no idea what this part is all about...
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext = Fi, Ne, Ni, Se ???
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext = Ti, Te, Si, Fe ???


    Step 6 - development
    Again....who the hell knows. This sounds good:
    Fi, Ne, Se, Ti, Ni

    I took the test also. INJ fits the best, but I tested ITP, and can relate to some of IFP.

    -Narrow down two likely highest used function you've been using mostly.
    Assuming this means based on the possible childhood options above:
    Fi & Ni

    Step 7
    My shadow:
    Any ESxx type.....again, the IFP, ITP & INJ ring true on several points

    Step 8
    dom-tert loop: Fi-Si loop, avoidant

    Step 9
    Evidence largely points to INFP. The other INxx types are possibilities in the following order: INTP, INFJ, INTJ.

  2. #42

    @Functianalyst and @simulatedworld
    Thanks for the feedback.
    I don't deny the first step is the hardest and probably weirdest but i have my weird reasons for it.
    Firstly, i wanted to give the person doing this a sense of confidence of sorting out their own functions instead of relying on the test to sort out the functions for you. That's why it's an important step.
    I understand some of us can be biased. Say for me, i would be biased with my Ni and Ne but in my dreams i have Ne lol. That is what's not so important about this step in particular.
    I did encourage about reading and not assuming. That's why as we go on to the further steps, it starts to get more refine and i start to ask questions that ensures the N, S, T and F are all there.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Step 3:
    Highest introvert function: Fi
    Lowest introvert function: Si
    Highest extrovert function: Ne
    Lowest extrovert function: Fe
    High Fi would make Ti your demon (last) function.
    High Ne would make Se your least preferred function.
    If Si is your lowest introvert function, that would make you prefer Ni.
    And if Fe is your lowest extrovert function, that would make you prefer Te.

    Is the above true?
    Is your knowledge on the cognitive functions based on the stereotypes?

    Step 5:
    I have no idea what this part is all about...
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext = Fi, Ne, Ni, Se ???
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext = Ti, Te, Si, Fe ???.[/QUOTE]

    You're supposed to have F, N, T and S in both models of Step 5. If your dominant function is an introvert one, you only need to do the introvert model which is:
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext
    I see you did it twice which is not necessary and i don't know what you're doing as well.
    Based on your report, this is my conclusion:
    Fi, Ne, Ti, Se.

    Of course this does not resembles any MBTI type but we can see some similarities, especially to INFP (Fi, Ne). If you were to split them, (Fi, Ne, Ti, Se) you would get ISTP (Ti, Se).


    Step 6 - development
    Again....who the hell knows. This sounds good:
    Fi, Ne, Se, Ti, Ni

    I took the test also. INJ fits the best, but I tested ITP, and can relate to some of IFP.

    -Narrow down two likely highest used function you've been using mostly.
    Assuming this means based on the possible childhood options above:
    Fi & Ni
    How much do you relate to INJ? Is that what someone told you or..? How much of ITP rings true for you?
    Between INJ and IFP, which one seems more likely you?
    If you are INJ, it means Fe or Te should have came naturally to you according to based on this information.

    Based on your development, (step 6), it only shows that:
    Ne or Se should have came more naturally to you.

    Step 7
    My shadow:
    Any ESxx type.....again, the IFP, ITP & INJ ring true on several points

    Step 8
    dom-tert loop: Fi-Si loop, avoidant

    Step 9
    Evidence largely points to INFP. The other INxx types are possibilities in the following order: INTP, INFJ, INTJ.
    Step 8 emphasized on INFP.

    Not to be biased or try to type you but based on the connections above, INFP makes the most sense. Like what you said above, evidence does largely points to INFP. The only doubt could come from the low Si.
    Si does not necessarily mean you have a good memory, that's a misinterpretation.

    You could consider the options. Based on your high Fi, you wouldn't be INTP. As Fi is Ti's opposite, so you can axe that one out.
    Because you have an apparently low preference on Si, it suggest that you might prefer Ni more. It is common among many heavy N users to believe they're both using Ni and Ne when it's either one way or the other. The question is, if you're Ni dominant, Ni would had been the first function you've been using heavily throughout your childhood. Then as growing, you would have either been using Te or Fe.
    It's also quite common to note that high F users tend to think they're using Fe and Fi.

    However, low Si could also suggest ENFP, (NeFiTeSi). Si is their last function and the rest of the functions goes well with your analysis. It would make more sense then even either of the Ni types.

    I suggest you try to come up with your own interpretation of the cognitive functions after reading about them from multiple sources. How would you view the functions? Be objective.
    I understand that you already know your type but when doing something like this, only emphasizes on your knowledge.

  3. #43

    High Fi would make Ti your demon (last) function.
    High Ne would make Se your least preferred function.
    If Si is your lowest introvert function, that would make you prefer Ni.
    And if Fe is your lowest extrovert function, that would make you prefer Te.
    Yes, hon, I know - I was trying your little "test" out .

    Is the above true?
    Is your knowledge on the cognitive functions based on the stereotypes?
    No, my knowledge is based on Jung's Psychological Types, which I have a copy of siting right here.

    You're supposed to have F, N, T and S in both models of Step 5. If your dominant function is an introvert one, you only need to do the introvert model which is:
    Int/Ext/Int/Ext
    I see you did it twice which is not necessary and i don't know what you're doing as well.
    Based on your report, this is my conclusion:
    Fi, Ne, Ti, Se.

    Of course this does not resembles any MBTI type but we can see some similarities, especially to INFP (Fi, Ne). If you were to split them, (Fi, Ne, Ti, Se) you would get ISTP (Ti, Se).
    I suppose I grasp what you were doing now. I still suggest clarifying your instructions though.


    How much do you relate to INJ? Is that what someone told you or..?
    I relate quite a bit to the INJ description...I was an imaginative loner as a kid. The IFP descriotion is too soft, too people-pleasing, too sensitive. I was ornery, very creative, and had strong opinions from an early age. My sensitivity was more of the temperamental kind & only family saw it. This is based on my own memory and things family have said over the years.

    How much of ITP rings true for you?
    A good chunk also, except I was a bit more sensitive & much more artistic.

    Between INJ and IFP, which one seems more likely you?
    The INJ. See above.

    If you are INJ, it means Fe or Te should have came naturally to you according to based on this information.

    Based on your development, (step 6), it only shows that:
    Ne or Se should have came more naturally to you.
    Yes, I am an INFP. That's my point - I think their descriptions of types in childhood are are bogus .
    I suppose the IFP sounds very enneagram 9 to me....as a 4w5, it just doesn't ring true. I see being Fi-dom as a child in line with the fact that:
    I knew what I liked, what I wanted, how I felt about things, etc. I had strong opinions and feelings that I stuck to stubbornly. I make quick judgments and evaluations. I had a hard time grasping other people's emotional displays if they did not reflect how I would feel. I had little interest in truly understanding them from that angle. I made friends by being imaginative & original, not because I was warm & sweet.

    In short, I was less perceptive & FAR less easy-going as child. I see Ne development as easing the definiteness of Fi, as opening my perspective to develop some compassion towards others, as seeing possibilities that broadened my inner ideals . Developing my Pe function mellowed me in many ways.

    I was not kind, sweet, or empathetic as a child. I was not a "peacemaker". I don't think I had a problem with logic as a child. I was easy to reason with, and preferred to be reasoned with (things needed to make sense). I was not that influenced by others' opinions of me. I was largely oblivious or even took some pride in being seen as odd.

    Step 8 emphasized on INFP.

    Not to be biased or try to type you but based on the connections above, INFP makes the most sense. Like what you said above, evidence does largely points to INFP. The only doubt could come from the low Si.
    Si does not necessarily mean you have a good memory, that's a misinterpretation.
    Well, I KNOW I am INFP . I didn't do this to find my type. I did it to point out the possible flaws in this little exercise .

    Si is possibly the process I relate to the least in writing. When I read about it in Psychological Types, it's the hardest for me to grasp in the sense that it's so foreign. However, I still feel that I likely use it more than, say, Fe. For instance, the Fi-Si loop makes sense for me, when analyzing my less healthy periods in life.

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  5. #44

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I suppose I grasp what you were doing now. I still suggest clarifying your instructions though.

    Well, I KNOW I am INFP . I didn't do this to find my type. I did it to point out the possible flaws in this little exercise .
    I'm aware that you're not questioning your type and trying this out. I would do this too if this wasn't written by me.
    I agree the description is not well written and confusing. Honestly, i struggled to come up with a better way of writing step 5 especially. If you have a better way of writing it, do let me know. Especially since now that you get what i was trying to convey.
    Like i said in the original post, this would not work for everybody. The reception has been good so far, a few flaws here and there. This thing is not fail safe.
    Also, i'm starting to see that typing by childhood/growth doesn't work for everybody.
    I learnt that the first function i developed is Te. Yet i'm not ENTJ since i'm an extreme introvert. So there are exceptions to it.
    Turns out that this does not necessarily applies to everyone.

    Thanks for the feedback anyways.

  6. #45

    Quote Originally Posted by CeresZal View Post
    I'm aware that you're not questioning your type and trying this out. I would do this too if this wasn't written by me.
    I agree the description is not well written and confusing. Honestly, i struggled to come up with a better way of writing step 5 especially. If you have a better way of writing it, do let me know. Especially since now that you get what i was trying to convey.
    Like i said in the original post, this would not work for everybody. The reception has been good so far, a few flaws here and there. This thing is not fail safe.
    Also, i'm starting to see that typing by childhood/growth doesn't work for everybody.
    I learnt that the first function i developed is Te. Yet i'm not ENTJ since i'm an extreme introvert. So there are exceptions to it.
    Turns out that this does not necessarily applies to everyone.

    Thanks for the feedback anyways.
    yeah, I have one. I didn't understand what was meant, but just did it, and got it correct. N perhaps? so maybe word it as "if you understand this, give yourself the letter N."
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  7. #46

    Ti>Ne>Te>Si>Ni>Se>Fi>Fe


    This is what I scored... Shouldn't Fe be higher if I am an INTP?

  8. #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Chinchilla View Post
    Ti>Ne>Te>Si>Ni>Se>Fi>Fe


    This is what I scored... Shouldn't Fe be higher if I am an INTP?
    It's commonly seen as that is your shadow function.
    In fact i score so low in Se that i wonder if it's my shadow function but it's quite normal.
    Also, i realise your T functions are higher then your F ones, that makes you a heavy thinker. Also commonly seen over thinkers.
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  9. #48

    So I'm trying to figure this out. I got ENTJ the first time I took the test. And then I got ENFj the second time I took the test. Can someone explain this to me. Am I in between Feeling and Thinking? Am I like a half breed? Lol! I want to understand what this may mean.
    Thank bunches!
    ~Mandee

  10. #49

    Quote Originally Posted by MandeeSHINE View Post
    So I'm trying to figure this out. I got ENTJ the first time I took the test. And then I got ENFj the second time I took the test. Can someone explain this to me. Am I in between Feeling and Thinking? Am I like a half breed? Lol! I want to understand what this may mean.
    Thank bunches!
    ~Mandee
    It is possible to be between F and T, but usually people lean one way or the other if only a little bit.

    It isn't likely to be between J and P though, because if you are one it changes all of your other functions.

  11. #50

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Evidence largely points to INFP. The other INxx types are possibilities in the following order: INTP, INFJ, INTJ.
    If it gives you the four INxx types as your most likely possibilities, there's probably something wrong with the test. INFP, INTP, INFJ and INTJ all represent vastly different cognitive makeups.

    If the test is telling you "You are INxx for sure but we don't know the other two letters" then it's probably testing too much based on binary variables (E vs. I, S vs. N, etc.) instead of on legitimate functional priorities.

    It would make much more sense to see "You are INFP, ISTJ, ISFP or INTJ", for instance. That way you'd still have a little uncertainty about SiNe vs. NiSe, but you'd at least have the same judgment functions, and you wouldn't be relying on MBTI "sliding scale" nonsense.
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