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    Fe in different cultures

    Extraverted Feeling deals with value judgments in social and cultural dynamics. It's one of the most common functions in Western society (probably American), but i'd like to see examples of how it works in all sorts of societies.

    Example: China

    Fe can be all about "unspoken social contracts", and Chinese social interactions are overflowing with those.

    A lot of phrases and actions are hints at a person behaving inappropriately, nobody ever says anything directly unless men are drunk and talking about politics (women getting drunk is seen as inappropriate), accepting gifts the first time you are offered one is rude, etc.

    Situation: A Chinese lady is working in Toronto, Canada. She's made a few friends and one day she says casually to one of them, "Hey, i live right by xxx street, it's a really nice place, you should come over sometime." The friend, who was Caucasian and born in Canada, takes out a notebook and pen, asks her to repeat her address and clarify on which day she'd be free to hang out. The Chinese woman is baffled.

    Explanation: In China, suggestions like "come over and hang out sometime" are said with no purpose at all except to be polite. It's just an off-hand comment to show that you're friendly enough to let an acquaintance come to your house theoretically, so taking the comment seriously and trying to schedule a meet-up would be really offensive and suggestive.

    Another situation: The European fiancé of a Chinese girl is picking up his soon-to-be in-laws from the airport because she's in a business meeting and can't pick up her parents. The fiancé sees that the parents have a lot of baggage and offers to help, but they say "no, it's fine" about once or twice, so he goes into his car and waits until they finish putting everything in the trunk by themselves. Later, he asks his fiancée why her parents are angry at him.

    Explanation: In western society, refusing help once could lead to the person asking you "are you sure", but in China, there's often a lot of friendly pushing, shoving and yelling about someone offering assistance or gifts. It's only polite to accept favours after saying "no, thanks, i'm good, you're being too kind" many, many times. But i haven't seen one instance (for gifts) in which the giver has to take the gift back due to refusal.

    Post some of your situations/thoughts below!
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    All I can think is that the United States of America is ENTJ on a national scale.

    You're just talking about cultural practices, not cognition.

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    Unknown

    Your explanation contrast more about culture rather than cognitive function, but I get the point you want to discuss.
    Someone with good Fe and understanding about both culture can act according to chinese norm with chineses and switch to american style with the americans.

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    Unknown

    It was quite presumptuous of Jung to imagine that EFs were conditioned by the society they live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard View Post
    All I can think is that the United States of America is ENTJ on a national scale.

    You're just talking about cultural practices, not cognition.
    I think that calling USA like that is bad. It looks like that country has lots of unhealthy Te and Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzV View Post
    Your explanation contrast more about culture rather than cognitive function, but I get the point you want to discuss.
    Someone with good Fe and understanding about both culture can act according to chinese norm with chineses and switch to american style with the americans.
    Yeah it takes time to adjust but i think high-Fe users can definitely learn other cultures' ways within a few interactions. But it can be funny when it's someone's first encounter and everyone's confused :p

    It's a function that's used differently in different cultures for cultural reasons, since it's the one that reflects socially accepted norms/behaviours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hottest_Commie_Ever View Post
    Extraverted Feeling deals with value judgments in social and cultural dynamics. It's one of the most common functions in Western society (probably American), but i'd like to see examples of how it works in all sorts of societies.
    I think Fe is a way of thinking that can adopt or create pretty much any observable code of ethics. Sometimes the expression of the code of ethics, whether verbal or acted, doesn't translate between cultures. That's what causes the cultural misunderstandings - different values and norms.

    I visited africa. The culture I was in was very concerned with proper greeting. e.g. "Hello. How are you? How has your day been?" And such even to people you don't know e.g. the teller at the bank cashing your check. (Possibly a more Fe/harmony-focused culture?)

    In the States, this would be seen as inefficient or weird. (Possibly a more Te/efficiency-focused culture?)

    The value systems seem different.
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    Interestingly enough, ENFPs are the most homogeneous type according to EEG brain scans run by Dario Nardi's experiments. Their brains all look very similar in an EEG. He hypothesized that that was because they are so good at adapting to the environment and the expectations that they were confronted with. His results are far from conclusive, but they are interesting.
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