Motivating factors: do it for personal happiness vs for fulfilling reasonable goals

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    Motivating factors: do it for personal happiness vs for fulfilling reasonable goals

    It seems easy to jump to the conclusion that people who have dom/aux Fi would be more driven to do something because it makes them happy while those who have dom/aux Te would be more driven to doing something because it fulfills reasonable goals. However, this seems like a weak interpretation of how the functions play a role in what motivates us, since "reasonable goals" can include wanting to attain happiness and life satisfaction, so even dom/aux Te-users might be equally driven or more driven than dom/aux Fi-users to do something if it makes them happy. So in that case, BOTH Te-users and Fi-users are going to be equally driven to do something for the sake of personal happiness, more so than if it would fulfill reasonable goals.

    Instead, I believe the main difference between Te-users' and Fi-users' motivating factors are HOW they want to achieve personal happiness. Te-users are more likely to achieve personal happiness more methodically and often logically, usually with a reasonable basis for their methods and strategies to pursue what makes them happy; they are often focused on their methods to achieve what they want. Fi-users, on the other hand, seem more likely to achieve personal happiness by taking a more open approach to their methods to achieve it, less focused on planning methods because they want to consider all sorts of options for them to achieve; they are less concerned with formulating a methodical plan since they want to get a feel for the different methods and adopt the one that seems most enjoyable/satisfactory for them to achieve their happiness. Achieving personal happiness is EQUALLY IMPORTANT for the Te and Fi user; HOW to achieve personal happiness is what actually differs.

    As for the dom/aux Ti and Fe-users, I think the same distinction would apply-- Fe users are more like Te users in their pursuit of happiness, more methodical and orderly with how to achieve their happiness, except they take into account how others around them would feel about their strategies; Ti users are more like Fi users and more open to the methods they use, except they are more likely to use reasoning, rather than what makes them happy, to adopt one of the many options to achieve what makes them happy in the end. So in the end, achieving personal happiness is equally valuable for all users, regardless of whether Te, Fi, Fe, or Ti is their dom/aux function. What differs based on these functions is HOW personal happiness is achieved.

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    I've always found the concept of happiness to be overrated. People speculate far too much into their own happiness, and become almost afraid to acknowledge it, thus second guessing themselves if they are truly happy, rather than to simply embrace it.

    For motivational factors, I just do what I know needs to be done, or else I end up overthinking it, talking myself out; or, for some peculiar reason, I imagine myself doing what I need to do, somehow convincing myself that I did it simply because the imagination was intense enough to feel real, and never end up doing it. The latter experiences are very strange, that I've even gone nights without dinner because I imagined myself already having had dinner.

    I suppose my factor is now or never. I do have imagined goals of what I want or to where I intend to go, which evidently act as a guide; and without these, I usually fall into some existential crisis, which seems to be an ongoing process since the moment I escaped the void that is my mother's womb.

    Somehow I question whether I believe in motivation or not, as odd as that may sound.

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    Ti & Fi.

    "Ti users are more like Fi users and more open to the methods they use."

    What make Ti/Fi look "open", is that it's fuelled by Ne/Fe. Which is either (Ne) happy to think about multiple possibilities or (Se) happy to taste a lot of different things.

    However, Ti and Fi are freaking stubborn. You can't make a Fi user do something that it does not wish to do ("because that's ethically wrong".) You can't make a Ti user do something it does not wish to do either ("because that's dumb".) Ti-dom and Fi-dom are usually slow in their progresses because they tend to challenge current ways of doing or thinking. They are both highly critical of the world and spend a lot of time thinking about what is right, or what is wrong. (Ethically / or Critical Thinking.)

    When you close many doors (because going there would be "dumb"/or "ethically wrong"), you don't have many doors open, or maybe, no door at all.

    There was an ENTJ there (Handsome Jack) who posted "Be stubborn about your goals but flexible about your methods.". Fi/Ti would be the contrary, be stubborn about your methods but flexible about your goal. As if being candid and true-to-self will somehow lead you to your best, possible, path, even if you don't know yet what that path is.

    Being methodical.

    T-dominant are both very methodical. Fi will often appreciate Te guidance to make their ideals come true, because they feel that they lack the power that Te wields. The lack of activity in a Fi-dom is often due to a lack of self-confidence, they know what they want, but don't necessarily know how to get it.

    Ti is highly methodical but it's more about internal guidance/sustaining regular habits so it's often invisible. The lack of activity in a Ti-dom is often due to a existential void. They know how to get things, but they don't necessarily know what is worth chasing. So knowing to get whatever is useless if you don't want to get anything at all. (Existential voiiiiiiid.... ooooooh.... *wind blowing*)


    Don't know anybody who wakes up in the morning and says "Oh, I'll work my best to make me feel unhappy today !". Except people who are prone to <usually unconscious> self-sabotage, but that's another story. I'd say that people don't suffer the same pains, so they have different priorities in life.

    ex : INTP me is prone to feeling deep "existential void". I'm not chasing materialistic goals because they would make me feel even more empty. ESFP friend suffered from family conflicts due to poverty, so he's more chasing materialistic comfort and relationship building.
    Last edited by Cobble; 10-26-2018 at 04:50 PM.
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    I'm not goal-oriented, I do whatever I do for personal happiness. Or "happiness" is really too strong a word for it, maybe it's more about satisfying certain needs that I have.

    For instance I've never been motivated by bonus targets at work. I'll try to do a good job, because I get satisfaction from knowing I've done quality work, but I won't perform any better if there's a possible bonus in it for me. In my last performance evaluation my boss noticed that we had forgotten to write down two of my major objectives for that period - it hadn't mattered. Again, I hadn't thought about those targets once, and I'd done the work anyway. Of course I had, it was important and had to be done. If it hadn't been important, I wouldn't have done it, and I would have talked my way out of not reaching that target.

    I'm aware that I wouldn't make a good salesperson.

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    I've always maintained that Fi and Te are essentially part of the same cognitive process. It's a whole process or personal values, personal goals and getting your personal needs met. Some people hang more towards the 'pondering personal values' part, where others are more of the 'getting things done' variety. You can't really view one without the other.

    According to the cognitive function stacks interpretation of personality theory everyone that has one of these functions also has the other.

    The same is true for Fe/Ti, Ne/Si and Se/Ni.
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