Knowing Why and How: Ni or Ti?

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    Knowing Why and How: Ni or Ti?

    I've been thinking of Ni as detailed, organized ideas and possibilities; Ti as personal understanding of why/how something works. But some people have been describing Ni as understanding the why/how as well. So if someone is primarily interested in understanding why/how something works, are they using Ni or Ti? Or is there an entirely different/better way to look at this?



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    At least from Jung's perspective, Intuition in itself only sees; it doesn't represent knowledge but rather generates possibilities. But everyone uses Intuition and Thinking, so it's up to Thinking to discard the illogical possibilities and build ideas around certain possibilities that aren't. Those who are dominant in Thinking will create more philosophy and not be as likely to be on the lookout for new sources of input. Those who are dominant in Intuition will be focused more on constantly exploring possibilities and without differentiated judgment, will stay in the world of possibilities and visions and not make much of them, or even answer basic moral questions.

    In summary, Intuitives are more "multi-minded" explorers while Thinkers are more "single-minded" decisive creators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean Helm View Post
    At least from Jung's perspective, Intuition in itself only sees; it doesn't represent knowledge but rather generates possibilities. But everyone uses Intuition and Thinking, so it's up to Thinking to discard the illogical possibilities and build ideas around certain possibilities that aren't. Those who are dominant in Thinking will create more philosophy and not be as likely to be on the lookout for new sources of input. Those who are dominant in Intuition will be focused more on constantly exploring possibilities and without differentiated judgment, will stay in the world of possibilities and visions and not make much of them, or even answer basic moral questions.

    In summary, Intuitives are more "multi-minded" explorers while Thinkers are more "single-minded" decisive creators.
    Would this only hold true for Ne-Ti? Because Ni-users tend to narrow down ideas/possibilities and focus on a specific chain of possibilities leading to one another, rather than seeing unrelated and random possibilities at too many different angles. Then Te can be used to understand the outcome and effectiveness of the ideas, since personal understanding (Ti) isn't really needed for filtering and discarding with such a narrow, specified set of ideas. So perhaps intuitives are more "multi-minded" explorers if they are Ne, while thinkers are more "single-minded" decisive creators if they are Ti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD_analyst View Post
    I've been thinking of Ni as detailed, organized ideas and possibilities; Ti as personal understanding of why/how something works. But some people have been describing Ni as understanding the why/how as well. So if someone is primarily interested in understanding why/how something works, are they using Ni or Ti? Or is there an entirely different/better way to look at this?
    Ni = Why

    Ti = How

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD_analyst View Post
    Would this only hold true for Ne-Ti? Because Ni-users tend to narrow down ideas/possibilities and focus on a specific chain of possibilities leading to one another, rather than seeing unrelated and random possibilities at too many different angles. Then Te can be used to understand the outcome and effectiveness of the ideas, since personal understanding (Ti) isn't really needed for filtering and discarding with such a narrow, specified set of ideas. So perhaps intuitives are more "multi-minded" explorers if they are Ne, while thinkers are more "single-minded" decisive creators if they are Ti?
    I was talking from Jung's perspective, in which case it'd hold true for both introverted and extraverted people whose primary function is Intuition. The focal point of the intuitive process would be different but it hardly seemed worth bringing it up in this case because it's Thinking that ultimately results in "knowing" both the "why" and "how" and it's Intuition that acts as a catalyst to the process by going beyond the facts brought into the psyche through Sensing.

    Jung's Psychological Types provides an objective standard/framework from which I can give stronger answers about these functions, because without one centralized authority I feel like we've got thousands of people each offering their own definitions of what these things really mean. If you want to go against Jung and talk about a form of Intuition being involved with "narrowing down" then you've probably got a lot of other people on your side but at this point it's just feeling like a game of create-your-own-definition.

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    I have Si/Te and I can understand the Why and How. Everyone can when they try.

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    How could an introverted function be Knowing? Surely it would have something to do with extraversion as means of putting something into practice?

    Ti is a subjective thinking process. It only thinks it knows by what makes sense to its own self. Ni is a subjective linking between patterns that may or may not even be there, so it if was left on its own, it's going to do nothing but connect dots over and over and over, but not coming to anything tangible. The same principles apply to Si and Fi.

    If everything you analysed was built upon nothing but introversion, you could do no more than draw an assumption. That's it. It doesn't matter how logical or reasonable that assumption might be, there is no Knowing. It would be the difference between a rationalist and an empiricist.


     

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