Feeling like you have to be more judgy to be taken seriously (Ne)

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This is a discussion on Feeling like you have to be more judgy to be taken seriously (Ne) within the Cognitive Functions forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Any experience with this (especially you extroverted intuitives)? Getting the feeling that people view you as immature/naive because you don't ...

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    Feeling like you have to be more judgy to be taken seriously (Ne)

    Any experience with this (especially you extroverted intuitives)?

    Getting the feeling that people view you as immature/naive because you don't have strong, settled, or black&white opinions (or any opinion at all) about things that you don't actually need to have opinions about?

    Getting the sense that your opinion isn't seen as authoritative or respectable because it's very conditional or because you've admitted that you don't know all the details about the issue?
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    Not extroverted intuitive
    But I do feel like my Pness can hold me back
    In 80% of the cases however I usually feel it’s my own Pness which gets me into conundrum, impulsiveness, or procrastination which ends up getting me there

    A lot of society is built in a J system I just accept that is a reality and that while not always ideal for how I operate it’s a general higher expectation in some areas I lack or struggle or can find stress in. Is what it is. There are some ways I wish I was more J because I probably wouldn’t find myself in as many foolish conundrums but hey we all are what we are. There is plenty of ways I can be thankful I am not a J too.

    Ya can’t be it all.

    I will say I have more J envy than I intuitive envy as far as from a standpoint on a few things which are obstacles
    Not so much talking about like everything but I can see where it’s useful to be J

    I don’t so much View it as J to be taken serious because in many ways I can be taken serious
    But I understand where I lack and what comes really natural and far easier to most Js

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    Yeess!!!!
    I strugle with this sometimes.
    It is also frustranting to see that people can be too "hard-headed" with their opinions.. and sometimes form opinions too soon.

    But yes!! I have already gone through situations where I felt the need to act as if I have a very rigid opinion just to keep people from steping over me and not take me serious

    This is true to the Ne types but specialy for the ENxPs who don't have a judging function in the dominant position. We are even less fixated on our own opinions
    I also belive ESxPs also share the feeling that people have too many opinions
    Last edited by Guajiro; 02-15-2019 at 12:07 PM.

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    ISTP

    Judgement is useless to me when I see no proactive practical application (such as teamwork, making rational decisions, or helping someone else) and judgement for the sake of having an opinion is such a useless emotional reaction. People tend to disregard facts, or actuality, and judge way too soon. Leads to negativity, ignorance, and closed-mindedness. Judgement so irrational that it only reveals the judger's deepest insecurities... is amusing.

    I like to stay as open minded as possible, especially when getting to know people, or exploring music I have never heard. Often times I won't have an opinion. I'd rather observe and see what happens next, to have a fuller understanding. Sometimes I don't gather enough information for judgement, and that leads to either inability to make a decision (more research, or procrastination), or impulsive decisions (that can get me into a lot of trouble every now and then).

    Sometimes I will judge everyday situations, but only when I don't care or when being comedic. I dislike being prompted for my opinion, I like full control when I have to judge. I have never been called immature or naive though, and when I do express an opinion I am passionate and able to back up that opinion with logic. I am a man of very few words, but when I do have something to say I am authoritative and will be heard.

    I feel no pressure to judge.
    Last edited by KJL; 02-15-2019 at 01:50 PM.

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    People think I don't know how to conform, and am therefore an idiot.
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    Conform?
    You mean like acting the mindless obedient masses that make up society
    And if your ideas are different than theirs you’re the ass hole
    Yet they call us weird on account of us not conforming to their [lack of] thought/beliefs
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    I feel exactly the same way, this only happens to me when I'm with S-types, and of course, super often with SJ's.

    What I have found out is that, normally, the harsher the judgement, the less thought has been put to it, so the way you can gain their respect or be taken seriously is by presenting your logic as to why you choose not to judge yet.

    I have done this, and I wish I did it more often. Pulling out the debater card is not something I am comfortable doing at all (contrary to the stupid stereotype). But in situations where it could benefit the opinions of the collective, it's something that I want to do more often.
    In my experience, people who judge less are normally more thoughtful. However, they also make the mistake of being less confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Clitty View Post
    Any experience with this (especially you extroverted intuitives)?

    Getting the feeling that people view you as immature/naive because you don't have strong, settled, or black&white opinions (or any opinion at all) about things that you don't actually need to have opinions about?

    Getting the sense that your opinion isn't seen as authoritative or respectable because it's very conditional or because you've admitted that you don't know all the details about the issue?
    Urrmm, forming, creating and having an opinion isn't an Ne thing, it's a Te, Ti, Fe, Fi thing. After all Ne is a perceiving function, not a judgement function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenty View Post
    Urrmm, forming, creating and having an opinion isn't an Ne thing
    I never said or implied that it was.

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    INTJ

    Hmmm, I don't mean to break up the Fe vibes (or state the obvious) but do you expect to be unorganized and taken seriously?

    Who are the serious people in this world? What functions do they seem to use...You have to BE serious to be taken seriously. Just like you have to be funny to be taken humorously. You can't be passive and expect people to take your words or opinions with weight? - when even you don't, given the amount of ideas you have in a second.

    You also can't be uptight and then expect people to laugh at your jokes.

    but I don't even think you'd want that since that's not how you function. You want your opinions to be valued and I'm sure people out there that do will take notice.

    I speak with authority when I want to be seen as authoritative. People smile when they want to be perceived as kind and open. These things may not at all be related to each other (presentation and substance) but presentation is a big part of most things. I suck at the presenting disarming and nice or good willed, you suck at the presenting authoritative, serious or demanding respect. We all have our stuff.
    Last edited by Eysan; 03-12-2019 at 04:40 PM.


     
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