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#1 ·
I've been listening to this youtuber talking about MBTI and cognitive functions the past few weeks on the way home,
and I got to the point where I found the typing grid, which seems to be specific to his name at first sight.
What do you think of him if you know him?

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To explain what each word means:

  • Informative: would rather say "We're out of milk", silently adds connotation, hoping they got the message across
  • Direct: would rather say "Go get the milk (please)", it's the way it is, loud and clear

  • Initiating: extraverted people, preference for starting conversations (Exxx)
  • Responding: introverted people, starting conversations costs energy most of the time (Ixxx)

  • Movement: impulsive, quick to decide, cannot stand still
  • Control: patient, stagnant, especially if it brings in more gains

  • Concrete: what is it like, current state, observation (xSxx)
  • Abstract: possibilities, concepts, ideas, implications, introspections (xNxx)

  • Affiliative: being interdependent, inclusion, adapt to group, norms, roles, permission > forgiveness (xSxJ & xNFx)
  • Pragmatic: how can I be independent, self-determination, how to advance faster, forgiveness > permission (xSxP & xNTx)

  • Systematic: systems, organization, metaphoric puzzles, methodology, process, professional (xSxJ & xNTx)
  • Interest: interests, motivation, passion, arbitrary about rules, reasons (xSxP & xNFx)


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#107 · (Edited)
I think the guy is genius.

I know it's not his work but his typing grid really works as far as I am concerned.

I saw him type people on Youtube channels and he got it mostly right.

I don't really care about his type or what Te-users think of his type because it just affirms the typing grid itself. Te's think in group. They think out loud, they don't like people who think for themselves.

...hence CS Joseph, who does this primarily.


So yeah, I think his typing grid is valid.
 
#117 ·
I dont know shit about this guy and not really in the mood to look into his stuff but being confident about something he pulled out of his own ass and being wrong because he doesnt trust official sources more than himself is mostly him being immature or not that knowledgeable. And admitting he is wrong would ruin his reputation so...
I dont really see how that counters him being Ne/Ti or whatever. Who said ENTPs are always thoughtful enough to be accurate. Thats another typology bias if anything. He is him and he making money by the attention you guys give him. Whether thats good or bad, decide for yourselves.
 
#123 ·
Wow i cant believe your main argument against him right now are his matchmaking theories just because they derail from the official MBTI ones. Believing in typology based matchmaking of any kind is just as cringe worthy no matter the case. Your personal experiences disagree with him because surprise surprise - both your personal experiences and his theories are something that doesnt apply to all people.

"Oh ive dated ISFJs and as an ENTJ i can tell they were never meant for me". Ever heard of personal preferences? How much you tolerate some people of a specific type is just you. Not to mention people of the same type also differ to the point some can be very likeable and some cant - even when biased against a type.

Im derailing here but seriously people dont try to judge someone's shit with arguments that drop your own standing as low as his.
 
#124 · (Edited)
That table is based on Keirsey temperament and probably a dose of Berens' interaction styles... sure, useful for a quick reference, but not new. I skimmed the guy's website and chose an article to read. First - looks like a lot of his material of any quality is aggregated information from theorists. The article I read contained empty conjecture and no real examples, and I was very disappointed to immediately find negative stereotyping of SJs. So far what I am finding is mostly near-plagiarism. I am not seeing the value of his site or information over many others, especially when/if he's charging money for it.

The guy presents well on his website and he has some nice merchandise. I will also give him that he presents his name well. Reminiscent of CS Lewis and Carl Jung. It comes off sagely.

jetser said:
I know it's not his work but his typing grid really works as far as I am concerned.
Why would you want to give him credit for work that is not his?
 
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#127 · (Edited)
I agree the judgment descriptions are roughly good, but iNtuition is :shocked:
I would extend them to the perception functions as such:

Se: What the environment impresses on our senses
Si: What your own sensory impressions recall
Ne: What the environment implies
Ni: What you infer

Note, for extraverted perception, it's not what people do as it might be with [“rational”] judgment; it's about us taking in the information, so I don't know where in sam hilll that “what you/people want” came from; yeah, that would be the same as how you/people “feel”, and thus F.
 
#130 ·
Bumping this thread because this week Joseph typed Frank James (another Youtube MBTI ''expert'') and completely lost his shit because James types himself as INFJ and Joseph was adamant that he's actually INFP then subsequently accused him of spreading misinformation and even took shots at DaveSuperPowers, essentially calling him a hack.

Now, while this seems to be a great moment to get out the popcorn, sit back and watch the mud slinging unfold.....unfortunately it proves my point that every single one of these internet MBTI guru is full of shit. The fact that they all think they are the ultimate reference on knowledge about this stuff then accuse one another of being mistyping morons who don't know what the hell they're talking about just shows that ultimately some of, if not all of them are wrong. Sure they understand this stuff and can all be decent reference but at the end of the day they don't understand that's still a fucking theory! It's not math; some people are obviously better than others at math.

The fact that all of these morons are super arrogant and keep claiming they are the utmost experts makes me wanna personally piss on every single one of them. Like, just admit that you all have your own different interpretations and that no one can hold all the answers? How fucking hard is it to do that? Be open to counter-arguments instead of shutting people down and retaliating with personal insults, no?? And mind you all these guys are big time Intutives of course. You'd think the first thing they should understand about intuition is that people have different interpretations of theoretical work, NO???



Sorry, shit pisses me off and needed to rant. Please resume...
 
#137 ·
Well then you need to look for Te in your boy as well.

He constantly cites Linda Barrens as a genius with her interactions styles, tells people he read this book and that book and it was the dopest because it's 100% accurate. He won't entertain counter-arguments and is pretty condescending when someone brings them up. If someone said ''We had a lot of fun'' They used the pronoun ''We'' therefore Se shared experience, lock in it and don't even try to dispute it. Could be actually Fe speaking or the person being interviewed on Leno so you know, different circumstances, but NOPE ''We had fun'' is Se and nothing else. Locking in types in under 5 minutes with as little information as possible, quick, efficient, no need for arguing. He also organized a full website/system using everything he's learned from other people to make profit.

If that's not Te in the flesh, I don't know what the hell is.
 
#139 ·
I've been listening to this youtuber talking about MBTI and cognitive functions the past few weeks on the way home,
and I got to the point where I found the typing grid, which seems to be specific to his name at first sight.
What do you think of him if you know him?

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To explain what each word means:

  • Informative: would rather say "We're out of milk", silently adds connotation, hoping they got the message across
  • Direct: would rather say "Go get the milk (please)", it's the way it is, loud and clear

  • Initiating: extraverted people, preference for starting conversations (Exxx)
  • Responding: introverted people, starting conversations costs energy most of the time (Ixxx)

  • Movement: impulsive, quick to decide, cannot stand still
  • Control: patient, stagnant, especially if it brings in more gains

  • Concrete: what is it like, current state, observation (xSxx)
  • Abstract: possibilities, concepts, ideas, implications, introspections (xNxx)

  • Affiliative: being interdependent, inclusion, adapt to group, norms, roles, permission > forgiveness (xSxJ & xNFx)
  • Pragmatic: how can I be independent, self-determination, how to advance faster, forgiveness > permission (xSxP & xNTx)

  • Systematic: systems, organization, metaphoric puzzles, methodology, process, professional (xSxJ & xNTx)
  • Interest: interests, motivation, passion, arbitrary about rules, reasons (xSxP & xNFx)


Edit: if you can't read the image, following link shows it better: [Click here]
Some of those words are kinda goofy. MBTI has that issue too. Like they can’t think of the right words so just use really bad words.

The Big Five will give a more accurate typing, in my opinion.
 
#140 ·
So I checked myself in his grid and according to him

I'm either ESTP, ENFJ, ISFP or an INFP.

Shocker :rolleyes:

Not anything I've identified with.

According to him I'm definitely Control and Interest. NOT Systematic and not Movement.

Which narrows it down to four types, as mentioned above.

I also have a strong feeling that I'm pragmatic and not affiliative which would mean that I'm either an ESTP or an ISFP.

Out of whom I would be either Direct + Intitiating in which case I'm an ESTP, or Informative + Responding and then I'm an ISFP.

I'm leaning towards Direct + Intitiating which would make the fantastic realization that I'm an ESTP.

But somehow I feel closer to an ISFP.

In any case I'm not an NT, probably not an NF and definitely not an SJ.

According to his grid I'm an SP.


 
#141 · (Edited)
Yeah I simply cannot subscribe to that grid.





Initiating and Responding are just a rehash of introverted vs. extroverted.

Concrete vs. Abstract is literally Sensing vs. Intuition.

Informative vs Direct sounds more like assertiveness issues or some may argue some form of T vs. F. what with Ts hating to beat around the bush and Fs not wanting to come off as too abrasive and more prone towards the passive-aggressive.

Movement vs. Control sounds like it's P vs. J expect it doesn't match up. ISTJs for example are movement so they thrive in chaos and ESTPs are control so they need everything to be settled, like.....what in the actual fuck?? Someone really needs to explain this one to me.

Affiliative vs. Pragmatic also sounds like another version of P vs. J because it's essentially making judgments on your own vs. needing to validate with others, but again, it doesn't line up with J/P types in theory and I don't know why.

Finally Systematic vs. Interest is just a mess. It sounds like yet another take on J vs. P. but it's about following the rules vs. fuck it I do my own thing and for some reason NFs identify with the latter but NTs are apparently system followers and......?? You know what my head hurts.



And all of this is 100% accurate, non-disputable and can be done in 5 minutes based on 3 sentences someone utters.

I feel like there's some ''Trump'' strategy here: Throw so much shit at people, they won't know where to focus anymore and they'll be so caught up trying to tie up all the loose ends that at the end of the day they'll just have to take your word for it.
 
#143 · (Edited)
Movement vs. Control sounds like it's P vs. J expect it doesn't match up. ISTJs for example are movement so they thrive in chaos and ESTPs are control so they need everything to be settled, like.....what in the actual fuck?? Someone really needs to explain this one to me.
As I understand it is about how you contain yourself.
Control people "move at their own pace", while Movement guys just go how the events go.

Truth to be told though I don't understand why ISTJs are Movements either. In my experience they're pretty contained although on a different level than ESTPs.


Affiliative vs. Pragmatic also sounds like another version of P vs. J because it's essentially making judgments on your own vs. needing to validate with others, but again, it doesn't line up with J/P types in theory and I don't know why.
That sounds more like a T vs F thing in my opinion.

Finally Systematic vs. Interest is just a mess. It sounds like yet another take on J vs. P. but it's about following the rules vs. fuck it I do my own thing and for some reason NFs identify with the latter but NTs are apparently system followers and......?? You know what my head hurts.
Actually I think it's the most interesting one. Systematic means that you follow a system that you have created for certain situations. It's like a question of professionalism.
In my experience it's right. NTs and SJs are the most professional of all types, they all crave a system which they see as the "working model" and they trust that instead of listening to their own heartbeat.
NFs follow their own heartbeats and SPs test rules all the time.


When me and my ESTJ friend play online he's always the one who sets up rules which he sees as working and I'm the guy who goes rouge. He always tells me when and what he does and wants to keep up some system while I just do whatever I feel like and I don't care about any rules as long as we win.

It's about what you trust. A system that always works some way (NTs, SJs), or your intellect or any other skills to handle the situation.
Apparently SPs (not surprisingly) are the latter and NFs - due to ideological reasons I think - do the same.



I feel like there's some ''Trump'' strategy here: Throw so much shit at people, they won't know where to focus anymore and they'll be so caught up trying to tie up all the loose ends that at the end of the day they'll just have to take your word for it.
Well you have to put up with it in any case with MBTI, at least this got a system which - to my experience - works.
 
#142 ·
I still arrive at ENTJ, with the only doubtful one being Direct/Informative, but that might just be my personal learned behavior of how best to get the results you want from people without offending. There is a correlation though between the types generally seen as being more assertive there.

Overall I think it's more accurate than inaccurate from my limited exposure to it, having watched a dozen or so of Joseph's videos.
 
#144 · (Edited)
I need to backtrack; CS Joseph, Dave Superpowers (Objective Personality), Talk With Famous People (Eric Strauss; his full name) aren't connected, right? I just saw CS's Instagram, and it looked interesting with with posts on Beebe's model, though he often changes some of the names of the archetype positions. But he doesn't seem to use "jumpers" theory, though.
I guess they were all being discussed here together, and the INTP who was typed by TWFP used all three I think, so I thought they were all the same "movement", so to speak. Are CS and TWFP associated?

So a large consensus is that CS is no good? ("arrogance and generally unpleasant personal demeanour", which is what I experienced with Strauss, and mistyping people, even himself, etc. ? (Looking back at the thread, it's hard to tell who of these three is being talked about sometimes).
 
#145 ·
I need to backtrack; CS Joseph, Dave Superpowers, Talk With Famous People (Eric Strauss; his full name) aren't connected, right? I just saw CS's Instagram, and it looked interesting with with posts on Beebe's model, though he often changes some of the names of the archetype positions. But he doesn't seem to use "jumpers" theory, though.
I guess they were all being discussed here together, and the INTP who was typed by TWFP used all three I think, so I thought they were all the same "movement", so to speak. Are CS and TWFP associated?

So a large consensus is that CS is no good? ("arrogance and generally unpleasant personal demeanour", which is what I experienced with Strauss, and mistyping people, even himself, etc. ? (Looking back at the thread, it's hard to tell who of these three is being talked about sometimes).
As far as I know, CS and TWFM aren't associated, but TWFM has an issue with CS typing himself as ENTP, and they both have videos about their disagreement over it.

I don't know who Dave is.
 
#148 ·
There are some interesting and worthwhile info one can gain from his videos, but does his system work?
It appears that most of the analysis on anything CS Joseph is about the man, his credibility, etc...but hardly about his work.

And for me, I have nothing against the man, but I am not sold on the system.

There are some people that I attempt to type using this grid/quiz and it comes up short.

For instance, I think the system fails when you try to fit personality neatly into these boxes. According to the CS Joesph grid/test, you can't be direct, initiating and movement? That is odd to me, because I have met and even lived with such people.

However, if I were to type that same person using a test, it at least generates an answer based upon different scenarios. The test would say, yes...such a person exists who are these things and the result is eSFP, but with only a slight preference for extroversion.

But with the CS Joesph system, it will force me into picking responding and the BS result will come up as ISTP — because a concrete, extroverted feeler can't be primarily direct in behavior? Sure.

Thus far, my conclusion is that you can get a much better idea of who the person is by taking the online test, or even just by reading the 16 type descriptions.

Not everyone is an ideal archetype that must fit squarely into a certain combination of boxes. If A and B, then must be A, B and D, but not A, B and C according to the system. But why not? Forcing to choose an incorrect box will yield an incorrect reult.

A type 5 eNFp personality is much different than a type 7 ENFP, but CS Joseph might falsely type this same person as an INTJ because he is not taking into consideration the wide spectrum within each personality type. I think this is the major flaw in his system.
 
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