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This is a discussion on CS Joseph typing grid within the Cognitive Functions forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; I've been listening to this youtuber talking about MBTI and cognitive functions the past few weeks on the way home, ...

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    CS Joseph typing grid

    I've been listening to this youtuber talking about MBTI and cognitive functions the past few weeks on the way home,
    and I got to the point where I found the typing grid, which seems to be specific to his name at first sight.
    What do you think of him if you know him?

    free-grid-for-typing-anyone.jpg

    To explain what each word means:

    • Informative: would rather say "We're out of milk", silently adds connotation, hoping they got the message across
    • Direct: would rather say "Go get the milk (please)", it's the way it is, loud and clear


    • Initiating: extraverted people, preference for starting conversations (Exxx)
    • Responding: introverted people, starting conversations costs energy most of the time (Ixxx)


    • Movement: impulsive, quick to decide, cannot stand still
    • Control: patient, stagnant, especially if it brings in more gains


    • Concrete: what is it like, current state, observation (xSxx)
    • Abstract: possibilities, concepts, ideas, implications, introspections (xNxx)


    • Affiliative: being interdependent, inclusion, adapt to group, norms, roles, permission > forgiveness (xSxJ & xNFx)
    • Pragmatic: how can I be independent, self-determination, how to advance faster, forgiveness > permission (xSxP & xNTx)


    • Systematic: systems, organization, metaphoric puzzles, methodology, process, professional (xSxJ & xNTx)
    • Interest: interests, motivation, passion, arbitrary about rules, reasons (xSxP & xNFx)



    Edit: if you can't read the image, following link shows it better: [Click here]



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    He is a very bad source and listening to him is not advised in my opinion but you are free to do what you want. It looks like you are most interested in the interaction styles, these are from Linda Berens book Understanding Yourself and Others: An Introduction to Interaction Styles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissymetry View Post
    He is a very bad source and listening to him is not advised in my opinion but you are free to do what you want. It looks like you are most interested in the interaction styles, these are from Linda Berens book Understanding Yourself and Others: An Introduction to Interaction Styles.
    Yup, I wanted to ask you guys what you think of him, just to have different perspectives because only my own will not suffice.
    But what exactly is wrong with him then, is that book also bull? He mentioned her and also John Beebe (his big hero apparently).

    I did notice on some videos that he's a creationist and claiming he's 100% sure, through reasoning, that it IS true (and said it would trigger Ti doms).
    He wasn't wrong about that between brackets part, but didn't want to dismiss the somewhat unrelated stuff.

    I did try the grid on myself before and it applies perfectly, asking my sister (who typed as INFP on the MBTI test) which interaction styles she has, has made her come out as my own type (Joseph claims it's 100% accurate!).
    My brother gave combinations that don't match any on the grid. Would he be wrong?

    But what sources are reliable then and is there any podcast on those? I love listening to them on the way home since it takes an hour anyway and I can't do much other stuff.

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    Well, here's what I think:
    CSJ can't even type himself properly, he's not ENTP. Everything I've seen him say about the NP types betrays this, which becomes even more obvious when he talks about NFPs and how annoyed he is by behaviors which are actually shared by NTPs. His point of view of NPs is very J and he twists some of the behaviors to fit how he views himself, since with his system he can claim he was always an ENTP but in an "INTJ unconscious mode", as he was typing INJ in tests and believed he was one. Most of the explanations he gives seem to be anecdotes from his life filtered through his own perspective and then made fit in his model which stinks of confirmation bias..

    Also super funny in a facepalm way: he says he likes to walk up to people he doesn't know on the street and say something to change the course of their lives, after he observes certain things about them for a bit, which couldn't be more J and almost as far away from ENTP as one can be lol. Oh and his face is J too.

    The way he talks is super cringeworthy like he's on the brink of a nervous breakdown any moment now, but more importantly his model doesn't make much sense even theoretically, it's very prescriptive and robotic (4 sides of the mind having a different full type) which ironically betrays his J-ness too as he wants things in nice groupings with clear defined lines. Clearly that doesn't mean nothing of his model fits but a few right stuff doesn't make the whole thing correct.
    Last edited by Red Panda; 05-19-2019 at 02:20 AM.
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    "Interaction Styles" are a goofy bastard child of David Keirsey by way of Linda Berens.

    For a long explanation of where they came from, and why they don't make sense, see this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    Well, here's what I think:
    CSJ can't even type himself properly, he's not ENTP. Everything I've seen him say about the NP types betrays this, which becomes even more obvious when he talks about NFPs and how annoyed he is by behaviors which are actually shared by NTPs. His point of view of NPs is very J and he twists some of the behaviors to fit how he views himself, since with his system he can claim he was always an ENTP but in an "INTJ unconscious mode", as he was typing INJ in tests and believed he was one. Most of the explanations he gives seem to be anecdotes from his life filtered through his own perspective and then made fit in his model which stinks of confirmation bias..

    Also super funny in a facepalm way: he says he likes to walk up to people he doesn't know on the street and say something to change the course of their lives, after he observes certain things about them for a bit, which couldn't be more J and almost as far away from ENTP as one can be lol. Oh and his face is J too.

    The way he talks is super cringeworthy like he's on the brink of a nervous breakdown any moment now, but more importantly his model doesn't make much sense even theoretically, it's very prescriptive and robotic (4 sides of the mind having a different full type) which ironically betrays his J-ness too as he wants things in nice groupings with clear defined lines. Clearly that doesn't mean nothing of his model fits but a few right stuff doesn't make the whole thing correct.
    Yes, I'm not convinced he's ENTP either.

    I've seen a bunch of his videos and been at his Discord server. Not sure what to make of him. On one hand it's good that he encourages people to look into MBTI a bit more, and he's looked into the functions rather systematically. On the other hand he tried to oversimplify it by using the personality grid, and claiming he can type people in minutes. Not sure anyone can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aridela View Post
    Yes, I'm not convinced he's ENTP either.

    I've seen a bunch of his videos and been at his Discord server. Not sure what to make of him. On one hand it's good that he encourages people to look into MBTI a bit more, and he's looked into the functions rather systematically. On the other hand he tried to oversimplify it by using the personality grid, and claiming he can type people in minutes. Not sure anyone can do that.
    His model doesn't really convince me.. I can't relate to it at all, whereas I can relate much better to how Jung describes the types. CSJ's model is just way to rigid.. and his persona makes him even less convincing, when he speaks sometimes he does those weird movements and changes his voice which is somewhat theatrical and then claims he is engaging his ESFP super-ego or something as if we just flip a switch.. in those moments my intuition tells me there's something wrong with him lol. like, he's bullshitting himself and tries to do the same to us, he seems neurotic. Or he claims that's just him being ENTP, but actual ENTPs are much more chill, laid back, talk slow, think more, speak more logically/argue better and generally don't act like him. Oh this reminds me he claimed ENTPs always wear masks, but there's no good reason for that in theory, other than his wishful thinking. He's just so untrustworthy in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    ENTPs are much more chill, laid back, talk slow, think more, speak more logically/argue better and generally don't act like him.
    Thank you! Been saying this about him forever.

    His approach/style/personality seems WAY more TJ-ish to me what with the whole ''I'm right y'all are wrong, no more need to argue'' mentality that he displays constantly. Funny thing he seems to often look down on Te users which could easily be him repressing it.

    I'm sure he goes by ENTP because he likes to see himself as quirky, charismatic know-it-all which is a persona often associated with ENTPs. But I think he actually puts on a front, the way he tries to act all bitchy and arrogant. It seems really forced to me.

    He says that Deadpool is hardcore ENTP and gets all giddy about that and Lord knows anyone who throws a parade because they share the same type as a favorite celebrity/fictional character is a HUGE red flag. (I still maintain Deadpool is ESTP BTW).

    And don't get me started about typing celebrities in 5 minutes. That is complete bull. Unless someone is the poster boy for a certain type, anyone knows it's really more complex and fastidious to type someone, you can't lock it in after 3 quotes from them, WTF? He gets all pissy when someone rightfully calls him out on that, which again, is not really in line with ENTPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    he says he likes to walk up to people he doesn't know on the street and say something to change the course of their lives, after he observes certain things about them for a bit, which couldn't be more J and almost as far away from ENTP as one can be lol.
    Giving an opinion or acting on an immediate event is an attitude of perception. Many magicians act by this unexpectedly way.

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    There is not even a common function between INTJ and ENTP.

    Has he developed his own conceptual planning which might indicate an extraverted thinking in a good position... No. His gestures are random and dynamic. His look is also random. He has this little funny dandy style in his gesture with the goal of the seduction. Characteristic of extraverted feeling. Then comes the fact that he seems developed his own conceptual classification, which is a characteristic of introverted thinking. And he talks a lot, really a lot about this... Many demonstration ideas. A characteristic of extraverted intuition in a good position.

    So why not ENTP...


     
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