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My general complaint on people method of typing

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#1 ·
It goes, like this; You have any slightest values - "Fi DOM!!!!!"

>So you say you focus on yourself first always? Oops, you value yourself, you are Fi dom.
>Do you value working hard to achieve a result you want? Oh, a Fi dom can value that, you are Fi dom.
> "Man, I dont connect with this type at all, I can't be X type" - Ha! You are Fi dom, only Fi doms will question their type!!!

Thats the reason why I'm being pigeonholded as an INFP and I don't connect with that type, therefore why I'm always questioning my type.

Because sure, according to their logic, everyone, every person living on earth would be an INFP then, because accoding to them, everything can be "Valued", what kind of stupid logic is that?
 
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#2 ·
Typing others can be difficult especially online because :

-The one typing must be aware of their own biased perceptions coloring the typing interpretation.
-The one typed can sometimes present a biased perception of themselves for various reasons. They can also present a form of themselves that is not their "natural" self, but one from special circumstances (working, school, stress environment etc).
-The different typing systems used and the personal comprehension of it can play into the typing result.

Behaviours should not be used for typing, but the cognitive process used behind it. It is obvious that any types can have a same behavior but the process behind it will be what is "typical" for each type. And even that is a grossier method.

I read multiple of your posts stating your refusal and distate of being typed INFP. First ask yourself if you feel biased about any negative perception of INFP type. Second, if you think that INFP is the wrong type, why does someone else's opinion would change anything ? Either your arguments for not being INFP are sound, either their one arguments for you being INFP are sound, but it can't be both. Third, at worst, if typing arouse only negative feeling, forgot to be typed altogether, and focus on learning more about the typologies systems and yourself. And come back to it at a more stable moment of your life.

Tl; dr = Toss a coin !
 
#3 ·
I dont have biases towards INFP, I just dont connect being an emotional and valuing Fi dom type. (Which is INFP).

I am sure that I'm actualy an INTJ, but switching is not that easy, there will be many posts stating (But bruh, you are Fi dom, you are not INTJ!)
 
#5 · (Edited)
Because even If I dont connect with being Fi dom, I do actualy can put values on my interests, and they vary from times, which makes me thing that my Fi is actualy tertiary, so therefore INTJ.
 
#8 ·
If you are always questioning your type look at other P types in MBTI too. I suggest this because these types in MBTI theory have extroverted perceiving which means they are open to new information. INFP is a P type obviously and questioning your type can come from Feeling but I think Sensation and Intuition in extroverted attitude are what is the most likely cause. Intuition in a sense that you just see yourself as multiple types and Sensation in a sense that you have read about other types and taken in enough information with S that your T/F can make sense out of you being other types.

INFP types are renowned for questioning their type it is almost something that defines the type itself from my perspective. I can understand what @Kynx is saying about how an INFP would be unlikely to change their profile type according to what other people tell them. I presume this is because of "Fi" and not wanting to be told what to do. This does not account for the NP and IF characteristics of INFPs though which means they can perceive themselves as whatever types and then just feel their way into it. They are chameleons of the type world and this is how you know they are an INFP in the first place, because of the constant openness to new information and changing of mind according to Feeling.

I think that if you boil things down enough so that Fi is "values" and nothing more then "Fi" is inescapable as the dominant function of everybody because everything we do on some level is based in emotions and something that is liked or disliked but this reductionist perspective fails to account for the fact that on a basic level we are all the same. It is only the functions and attitudes that stand out the most that determines a type. The reductionist perspective misses the point I think. I think this might be the main problem you have in the OP. People missing the point of this kind of personality theory. Reducing everything down to "Fi" values. I have also observed this a little bit and can understand your frustration.

The logic is not stupid. It is actually correct on a fundamental level. It just does not work very well with this personality theory. If you do not connect with INFP you are not an INFP. All you have to do is find the type that fits the best. None of them will be an exact fit. Pick the closest match and it is done. It is interesting to consider other types and it can be fun to entertain the possibilities of other types, you might find one that actually does resonate more with you than your original type too. If you find yourself struggling to type yourself you can at least rule out J types. It is P types that question their type because of being open to new information and not wanting to settle on deciding the type. J types do not have the same problem. If J types struggled with deciding a type then they would be a P type. This is virtually built in to the model.

 
A little bit about how I changed my type from INFP to ISTP which you might find useful or helpful. I think it fits better. It is how I am perceived by others after talking to them and it makes sense for me. In a funny way my change from INFP to ISTP was done in a very ISTP way, I gathered S information and my T decided it makes sense. I literally ISTP'd my ISTP typing. In understanding this and accepting that my N is very strong but not preferred I became able to see how I can rationalise much of who I am under ISTP more than I can under any other dichotomy. ISTP has all of the right parts and makes sense.

I return high Ne results in function tests. I can rationalise this through use of introverted Thinking with Sensation and Intuition supporting that. I can rationalise being intuitive and liking to follow my intuitions through N as tertiary and working with dominant Thinking in the MBTI model. I can rationalise wanting to clarify my N and seeking more clear and focused intuitions with S being preferred over N (how I clarify my N) and both of this supporting T.

Inferior Fe explains many problems I have in my life. Feeling is not my strong suit. I do not relate to the inferior Fe outbursts I have read about but it fits better than other inferior functions. I relate very much to introverted Feeling but this can be rationalised with introverted Thinking as a dominant instead achieving the same goals in a different way.

The list goes on and on but the point is that you should read up about types, pick which one is a best-fit and just choose that. The best-fit type will be one you relate to and in my opinion, one that you can rationalise a lot of your behavior and traits under. From this position I believe you can find a type that is the most accurate until proven otherwise and you will be armed with solid logic to defend any questioning of your type, by yourself or anyone else.
 
#9 ·
@Dissymetry I disagree with your perspective that infp's are renowned for questioning their type. Where did this idea come from?

I say that infp's are unlikely to type themselves in such a way because 1) infp's aim to know themselves very well and 2) infp's will be extremely reluctant to align themselves with anything which they personally disagree with
 
#11 ·
I understand and you are free to disagree of course. The idea that INFPs know themselves very well and are reluctant to align themselves with anything they personally disagree with is not true from my perspective. The INFPs intuition means they are observant to possibilities and their Feeling judgement means they tend to relate to things just because they like them. My observations of INFPs is that yes they are reluctant to align themselves with things they do not agree with but these things they agree with or do not agree with can change on a daily or hour-to-hour basis. They can feel the same conviction for the opposing perspectives within hours because of intuition.

A simple Google search for which MBTI types have the most difficult time typing themselves will provide all the support for my position that INFPs question their type to the extent that it defines them as a type (in my opinion).
 
#10 ·
It goes, like this; You have any slightest values - "Fi DOM!!!!!"
Agree, but I think most people interpret this as being Ni-Dom for some reason? Like, ''I Think differently than others, therefore I am INxJ!'' and I think this belief is why so many people mistype themselves as INxJs. I mean, who the hell goes through life thinking ''I only believe what others believe''? Online tests essentially say that if that's how you feel, then you must be Intuitive because Sensors only go with the crowd.

But I personally think Fi and Ti (which every type has) is what is responsible for everyone thinking they are ''different'' from the rest of society as they are the ''individualist'' functions. They are also the ones that tend to draw conclusions about tests. So even if they are inferior, (for instance ExxJ) these functions usually have the loudest voices and thus decide what people think they should be.
 
#12 · (Edited)
But I personally think Fi and Ti (which every type has) is what is responsible for everyone thinking they are ''different'' from the rest of society as they are the ''individualist'' functions. They are also the ones that tend to draw conclusions about tests. So even if they are inferior, (for instance ExxJ) these functions usually have the loudest voices and thus decide what people think they should be.
That means I'm either an ENTP or INTP, or INTJ. Even a small chance of ISTP or INFJ, even though I'm too cloudy for a sensor and neither I do relate to Fe second position of INFJ.

I put both types with Ne and Ni as an option, because I learned so far that Ni and Ne are very very similar to each other, sometimes you could predict stuff with your intuition like Ni could and both sometimes you want to share your ideas like Ne could easly. basicaly both are a bastard functions and easly to confuse. I also put ENTP and INTP because I can see Inferior/tertiary Fe in myself, atleast so far I know Inferior/tert Fe is way more releatable to me than Fi dom.

I do agree with what @Kynx said. If I was this easly understood myself, if being a selfess type of person, I would easly relate myself to INFP and type myself with, because it would be "The right type" (As an Fi dom would say, not me).

I do not earn to "Find myself" or "Understand" myself on a very deep level, I don't really care about that stuff. I just want to know my MBTI type (lets say It's more of a self-image reasons, because It's cool, I finaly want to know my type so I can see which fictional characters or real people share the same type or relate to me.). I am not guided by feelings, morals or emotions, or "What is right" they say... I guide myself... What is worthy/interesting to me. yet another reason why I do not relate to being INFP Fi dom.

The only emotions I, most of the time feel is anger (Especiality when people play with my temper, and
I try to repress it because other people expect me to control my anger, and to not look like stupid/fool), a little of jealously (It's hard to control and repress it.) and on occasions happines (because It's a pleasure), rest of my emotions, they are repressed. That either guides me to either inferior/tretiary of both Fi or Fe.
 
#13 ·
So what's my type? I think I'm an XNTP afterall, I like to brainstorm myself with ideas and pick the good ones, and I do actualy earn to connect with people that deem to be worthy to me.
 
#16 ·
Meh, the fact that no one really cares to correct one's type is dissapointing.

While I do count myself from now on as an ISFJ, I'm still open for other's opinion of interpretations of my type.
 
#17 ·
You can't force people to put in the effort in typing you by throwing a hissy fit about it mate.

People are typing you based on what you say about yourself, we're not mind readers. How about you put in the effort in reading about the functions then decide which ones you are using the most. Narrow it down to one/two types which are more likely for you, then ask for other peoples' opinion.
 
#18 ·
You can't force people to put in the effort in typing you by throwing a hissy fit about it mate.

People are typing you based on what you say about yourself, we're not mind readers. How about you put in the effort in reading about the functions then decide which ones you are using the most. Narrow it down to one/two types which are more likely for you, then ask for other peoples' opinion.
I did it billion times, however I'm not comfortable to decide for myself, as I can get it wrong.

Anyway...

Can Si - Fe (ISFJ) be self-absorbed?
 
#20 · (Edited)
Fe is second position.

I try to be always happy. I'm kinda quicktempered, though I tend to repress my anger because it can lead me to trouble and It's typicaly not how people want to see me, other emotions such as sadness and fear was nearly completely repressed by me, as I could be preceived as weak by the society if I show those emotions. There is no place for being sad or depressed, so I'm always try to be happy.
 
#24 ·
You see, It's hard to determine your type, reasons because:

A) The descriptions of personality type always goes like this; "This type is hardworker", "This type is very friendly", "That type is very intelligent" "Blablabla, another stereotype description about certain type that no one gives a crap about", so yeah, good luck finding your type when the traits are too "Fixed" for each type.

B) For cognitive functions, I can relate to all of them. Each cognitive functions contains half stuff you relate to, other half dont. That makes it all very confusing to see and therefore I can't just easly determine which function is dominat, secondary, inferior etc, making me unconfident determining my type, always with the question "But wait, that's wrong type, I can relate to that other type aswell). That's why I come here and ask questions, I fell more confident if people with higher knowledge help me to determine my MBTI type and my cognitive stack.
 
#32 ·
You sound a little bit like me and "Ne" is my strongest function-in-attitude. The descriptions of personality types will never be sufficient because we can see a lot of problems with them immediately and we can also easily perceive ourselves as many different types.

Relating to all cognitive functions seems to me to be an issue N types in general can suffer with. It is too easy to read about them and learn about them and perceive yourself a type of that function, or with it as auxiliary, or tertiary, or inferior. This is a problem for me as well. "Ne" in function-in-attitude tests, INTp-1Ni in Socionics with a 99% chance of ENTp NeTi as well. When intuition is too strong we get detached from reality and find it too easy to see ourselves as this or that.

The problem here I think is to work on the Thinking or Feeling function to help cut out some of the BS that intuition perceives and try to see what actually makes sense. Introduce some S to help narrow what makes sense for you down with actual data, do this by seeking out perspectives from friends and family. See how other people perceive you. I do not know how accurate this is as I am still working through typing myself and gathering more information like this to help do it. Strong N and a weaker T/F will make it hard to type yourself in my opinion.

Bad memory is not necessarily proof of inferior Si, but can be indicative.

Si is my third function but (I think) I have a very good memory. I do forget things, but they are usually the things I have decided are not as important. Faces and names rank high amongst these 'unimportant' details.
Memory has nothing to do with type. Jung said this himself. This idea that Si is memory-related is incorrect. It does make sense in a roundabout way in that Si types build up a database of subjective sensory impressions over time which means in real-time, new subjective impressions they perceive will be compared at some level to previous subjective impressions they have perceived.

This is no more memory related than how any other introverted function works on account of introversions referral to yourself and your own experience. I have to say here that introversion itself does not equate to "better memory". I am talking about how the functions work on a fundamental level and not how good anyones memory is.

Is being scatterbrained, carefree, reluctant (And therefore dropping completely) to follow chores like exercises are indication for inferior Si?
It depends on the model. Sure it fits some models interpretations of inferior Si. These models probably have no actual scientific support. If you look at this from an MBTI perspective which only has the dichotomy in use for typing people with then everything you mentioned would fall under P and only P.

In Socionics which in my opinion seems to get a lot of things right what you mentioned call fall under the INTp type for example because they correctly attribute these "P" characteristics to the introverted intuitive type. In MBTI you could not be scatterbrained, carefree and reluctant to do chores and still get a J result, you are choosing things there are are directly related to an MBTI P.

I am not saying you are an INTp in Socionics I am only highlighting how the characteristics you suggested will speak to different things in different models. In MBTI they will speak to P types and if you are an introvert this for no reason will mean you are "Ne" or "Se" because P relates to your perceiving function being extroverted. In Socionics the same characteristics would produce a "p" result and this will relate (accurately in my opinion) to your dominant function even if introverted.

Something to keep in mind is how most models that follow in the footsteps of the MBTI twist functions very far away from what they are. Personalityjunkie for example has N so far removed from intuition that it is Thinking. Much of everything that personalityjunkie says about N is T. They also relate too much of what is introversion to N and too much of extroversion to S. So you have to be careful about the model.

It is interesting to learn about them all but trying to find a type that is consistent across all models is a fruitless endeavor and does not actually make sense because of how different each model is.
 
#27 ·
@Neutronic

Based on your writing, you sound like you are clairvoyant ("clear seeing"), which means you will sometimes see things with your "mind's eye", and will then need to connect what you see, or interpret what you see, to real life situations and happenings. This also means you are Type 4 on Carol Tuttle's Dressing Your Truth program.(I have translated the Tuttle types into the modalities). On another note, if you are tired of typing by words, or personal descriptions of themselves, you can try visual typing, and this website will help you get started: mbti-typings.my-free.website.
 
#28 ·
Is being scatterbrained, carefree, reluctant (And therefore dropping completely) to follow chores like exercises are indication for inferior Si?
 
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