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  1. #71
    INTJ - The Scientists


    There is an UGLY secret hidden behind the bars from which you think of! Please consult me if you need any further guidance.The ugly gene is a very serious illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I am still interested in further research, and might create polls for people to fill out. The following spectrum still needs to be investigated, and if anybody knows of research articles that already exist on the subject matter of dominant-submissive energy, please share.

    ......
    14. ISTJ
    15. ENFP
    16. ESTJ - least dominant, most submissive energy

    1. INTP - most dominant, least submissive energy
    2. ISFJ
    3. ENTP
    4. ESFJ

    5. ISFP
    6. INTJ
    7. ESFP
    8. ENTJ

    9. ISTP
    10. INFJ
    11. ESTP
    12. ENFJ

    13. INFP
    14. ISTJ
    15. ENFP
    16. ESTJ - least dominant, most submissive energy

    1. INTP - most dominant, least submissive energy
    2. ISFJ
    3. ENTP
    ......

    Given how often people think about sex, sexual fantasies play a major role in human psychology, so the subject requires further investigations and research:

    1. How do sexual fantasies between circumcised men differ from uncircumcised men? (watching pornography does not count)
    2. Do circumcised men prefer more submissive fantasies (due to childhood trauma associated with cutting of foreskin) compared to uncircumcised men?
    3. What sexual fantasies (if any) do circumcised men have while masturbating, assuming that they do masturbate? (masturbating while watching pornography does not count)

    4. How do sexual fantasies differ between NF and NT people? (assuming they do not use pornography to masturbate)
    5. Are NF people more energized by submissive sexual fantasies, while NT people are energized by dominant sexual fantasies?
    6. Do different body types between NF and NT people account for the different sexual fantasies?
    7. How do men have submissive sexual fantasies? In those fantasies, do men picture themselves as vulnerable women?
    8. How do women have dominant sexual fantasies? In those fantasies, do women picture themselves as sexually aggressive men?
    9. After a period of fantasizing about dominant sexual fantasies, do NF people feel more energized? How about for submissive sexual fantasies?
    10. After a period of fantasizing about submissive sexual fantasies, do NT people feel more energized? How about for dominant sexual fantasies?
    I would actually recommend you taking a couple of courses/reading up on how sociology and its methodologies first...

  3. #73

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Jewish mythology mentions how Lilith was chosen as Adam's first wife, and rejected Adam, because she does not want to be submissive. Before, I understand this in a more physical context, though after learning about how everything is energy, this might be viewed in terms of energy exchange. It is possible that dominant and submissive energy fields are present in all organisms, and transcend the sex domains of male or female. The dominance or submissiveness of this energy field is associated with personality types, and below is a presentation of personality types (grouped by cognitive function usage), and their rank order in the dominance spectrum:

    Most dominant or least submissive energy fields
    1. ENTP, INTP, ESFJ, ISFJ (Ne, Ti, Fe, Si) - Most dominant

    2. INTJ, ENTJ, ISFP, ESFP (Ni, Te, Fi, Se) - Second most dominant

    3. INFJ, ENFJ, ISTP, ESTP (Ni, Fe, Ti, Se) - Third most dominant

    4. ENFP, INFP, ESTJ, ISTJ (Ne, Fi, Te, Si) - Least dominant
    Least dominant or most submissive energy fields

    Viewing the Biblical story about Lilith and Adam in this context, it is possible, for example, that Lilith is ENTP, who rejected Adam after refusing to submit, and instead, Adam married Eve, who happens to be ENFP. This dominant or submissive energy might be a precursor to the appearance of sexes. It determines the method of exchange involving energy and information transfer. The concept is very speculative, though the idea does shed light on the presence of dominant or submissive energies in people, according to their personality types.

    The energy described has to do with sexual attraction, in finding suitable mates, and not how someone organizes his environment. The dominant or submissive aspect has to do with how the first living organisms are not differentiated by male or female, therefore, dominant or submissive energy fields play a role in information or energy exchange. This thread is based on the same thread in the Philosophy or Critical Thinking forum, which is suggested to be discussed in the Cognitive Functions forum as well. Thank you.

    Based on this thread:
    On the Subject of Dominant or Submissive Energy, Personality Types, and the Sexes

  4. #74

    At risk of stating the obvious:

    A lot of dominant/submissive behaviour in relationships (no matter if you want to look at it physically or mentally) is down to

    a) biology (higher testosterone = higher likelihood of sexually and otherwise dominant behaviour)
    b) social conditioning/gender stereotypes
    c) personal history

    I think we can possibly try to shoehorn all of this into some perceived correlation or even causation with regards to MBTI, psychological type and/or cognition, but I somewhat have an inkling the reasoning would become circular ;)

    If you look at D/s specifically: Some pretty extensive studies have been done on the subject, and the ones that include percentages about dominant and submissive behaviour with regards to gender-split all come to pretty similar results:
    Most women (usually hovering between 70 and 80%, depending on study) are subs, under 10% are Dommes, the rest are switches.
    For men, it's more or less the opposite, although the percentage of submissive men is slightly higher in relation (usually between 20 and 30%, again depending on study)

    So whatever way you want to twist and turn it:
    The correlation between a D/s preference and gender is pretty obvious.

    The interesting ones are the outliers (female Dommes, male subs). I don't know if I personally believe there is a relation to psychological type. I have no proof either way, I'm not aware of any studies on that particular question, and I know my way around the subject quite well, both for personal and formerly professional reasons (not that type of profession, I'm strictly speaking field of study ;)).

    I could try a half-arsed attempt about projection, Anima/Animus-complex or -integration, Shadow (and I could possibly shoehorn functions into that attempt Beebe-style), but honestly - I think it'd be bordering on comical...
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I might have looked at this partly from a family or career oriented perspective, because ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, ISTP are more career driven, while ISFJ, ESFJ, ESFP, ISFP, ENFP, INFP, INFJ, ENFJ are more family driven. I have come to believe that Ne-Si is associated with masculine energy, while Ni-Se is feminine energy.

  6. #76

    I always thought the functions came down to active/passive (judging and perceiving functions). This is so much more convoluted


    If it is down to active/passive then dominant perceptive functions would be more "submissive" (if submissiveness refers to passivity) and dominant judging functions would be more "dominant (if dominance refers to activeness).

    This would mean that the dominant types are: ISTP, INTP, INFP, ISFP, ENTJ, ESTJ, ENFJ, ESFJ.

    Sub types: ISTJ, INTJ, INFJ, ISFJ, ENTP, ESTP, ENFP, ESFP.

    This is counter-intuitive to how we consider dominance/submission. Doesn't mean it's wrong (yes an Ni-dom just said that lol), but according to the MBTI system I think it is the most precise way to separate it out.

    Also consider that some philosophies, such as some schools of Hindu philosophy, considered a passive, unchanging energy to be "masculine" while a changing, active and dynamic nature/matter is "feminine". This is where they derived certain avatars, such as the goddess Devi ('divine feminine'). This seems unrelated to dominance/submission (which is ironic given modern-day gender relations in India relative to westernized cultures with Judeo-Christian heritages, but I digress).
    Last edited by ninjahitsawall; 07-30-2015 at 03:16 AM.

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Jewish mythology mentions how Lilith was chosen as Adam's first wife, and rejected Adam, because she does not want to be submissive. Before, I understand this in a more physical context, though after learning about how everything is energy, this might be viewed in terms of energy exchange. It is possible that dominant and submissive energy fields are present in all organisms, and transcend the sex domains of male or female. The dominance or submissiveness of this energy field is associated with personality types, and below is a presentation of personality types (grouped by cognitive function usage), and their rank order in the dominance spectrum:

    Most dominant or least submissive energy fields
    1. ENTP, INTP, ESFJ, ISFJ (Ne, Ti, Fe, Si) - Most dominant

    2. INTJ, ENTJ, ISFP, ESFP (Ni, Te, Fi, Se) - Second most dominant

    3. INFJ, ENFJ, ISTP, ESTP (Ni, Fe, Ti, Se) - Third most dominant

    4. ENFP, INFP, ESTJ, ISTJ (Ne, Fi, Te, Si) - Least dominant
    Least dominant or most submissive energy fields


    Based on this thread:
    On the Subject of Dominant or Submissive Energy, Personality Types, and the Sexes
    Call me judgemental but:

    Most dominant:
    1.ENTP (agree)
    INTP(DISAGREE SO MUCH! There's no fucking way. Used to be in a relationship withone for 3 years. This is the least dominant thinking type in my humble opinion)
    ESFJ(definitely agree)
    ISFJ(that's almost as laughable as the INTP verdict)

    2.
    Second most dominant
    INTJ(yes)
    ENTJ(yes, if not more dominant)
    ISFP(eh...)
    ESFP(yes)

    3. Third most dominant
    INFJ(maybe)
    ENFJ(maybe)
    ISTP(maybe)
    ESTP(lol hell no)

    4.
    Least dominant
    ENFP(laughable)
    INFP(agreed)
    ESTJ(I call bull shit)
    ISTJ(indifferent)


     
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