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Fe and Fi and Empathy

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#1 ·
From a paper on empathy I scraped from the net somewhere;
Affective Empathy:
It makes me sad to see a child who can’t find anyone to play with
Seeing a child who is crying makes me feel like crying
Sometimes I cry when I watch TV
It get upset when I see a child being hurt
Some songs make me so sad I feel like crying
When I see someone suffering, I feel bad too
When I walk by a needy person I feel like giving them something
It upsets me when another child is being shouted at
When my parents get upset I feel bad
I get upset when I see an animal being hurt

Cognitive Empathy:
When I am angry or upset at someone, I usually try to imagine what he or she
is thinking or feeling
I can tell by looking at a person, whether they are happy
I really like to watch people open presents, even when I don’t get a present
myself
When I am arguing with my friends about what we are going to do, I think
carefully about what they are saying before I decide whose idea is best
I can tell what mood my parents are in by the look on their faces
I notice straight away when something makes my best friend unhappy
I can often guess the ending of other people’s sentences because I know what
they are about to say
I often try to understand my friends better by seeing things from their point of
view
On the phone I can tell if the other person is happy or sad by the tone of their
voice
I often know the ending of movies or books before they have finished
I think people can have different opinions on the same thing
I can tell by the look on my parent's face whether it’s a good time to ask them
for something


Having this information, which one matches up with Fe and Fi?
 
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#3 ·
I feel like affective empathy is Fi and cognitive empathy is Fe - though I can't pin point why. I use Fe like I Hate Therapist's said and both of these I can relate to a lot.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I would agree that this is the way it may look on the surface, however I know I do both COMPLETELY. .. BUT the affective seems to be the one I use that makes me FEEL something deep inside. The cognitive one is something that just happens but its not anything that produces a deep emotional reaction in me. BUT I still use both equally.
 
#4 ·
The Affective Empathy seems a little more Fi since it seems to be emotionally relating to the outside world from one's personal perspective. On the other hand, the Cognitive Empathy seems to be a little more Fe since it seems to be trying to process the emotional environment from another person's perspective.

I tend to use Cognitive Empathy more the Affective Empathy, it's less of an internal roller coaster for me.
 
#7 ·
It looks like the general difference between the two is that in one of them you feel others' emotions, while in the other you know how someone feels. I don't see the real difference though. Sounds like semantics.
 
#8 ·
Both types of empathy influence F judgements. Fe & Fi are the same function, only orientated in different directions. The process is the same, the difference is whether the acceptable standard, at the decisive point, is determined by external or internal values.
 
#9 ·
From a paper on empathy I scraped from the net somewhere;
Affective Empathy:
It makes me sad to see a child who can’t find anyone to play with
Seeing a child who is crying makes me feel like crying
Sometimes I cry when I watch TV
It get upset when I see a child being hurt
Some songs make me so sad I feel like crying
When I see someone suffering, I feel bad too
When I walk by a needy person I feel like giving them something
It upsets me when another child is being shouted at
When my parents get upset I feel bad
I get upset when I see an animal being hurt

Cognitive Empathy:
When I am angry or upset at someone, I usually try to imagine what he or she
is thinking or feeling

I can tell by looking at a person, whether they are happy
I really like to watch people open presents, even when I don’t get a present
myself
When I am arguing with my friends about what we are going to do, I think
carefully about what they are saying before I decide whose idea is best

I can tell what mood my parents are in by the look on their faces
I notice straight away when something makes my best friend unhappy
I can often guess the ending of other people’s sentences because I know what
they are about to say

I often try to understand my friends better by seeing things from their point of
view

On the phone I can tell if the other person is happy or sad by the tone of their
voice

I often know the ending of movies or books before they have finished
I think people can have different opinions on the same thing
I can tell by the look on my parent's face whether it’s a good time to ask them
for something



Having this information, which one matches up with Fe and Fi?
I made the things I relate to bold.
I'm not sure whether I use Fi or Fe, but I think Fi is more likely (I decide for myself whether I find something agreeable or not)
 
#12 ·
Fi.

I relate to all of them. I think the difference is where are the values coming from. internal (Fi) or external (Fe). An evil Fi is pure evil. And Fe living in a society where evil is ok is pure evil. Maybeeeeee
 
#17 ·
Fe-dominant here, and, contrary to popular understanding, I don't think an evil society would make me evil. I might have Extroverted Feeling, but I'm pretty solid on my belief that it is always wrong to harm someone, and bringing love into the world is of utmost importance. No unjust society could make me feel otherwise ^^

I also relate to both types of empathy listed, and almost all of the examples given with them.
 
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#14 ·
There is nothing completely "internal." "Internal" is really built from "external," and gets constantly affected by it.
Similarly, there is nothing completely "external." "External" is framed by "internal," and is always perceived by "internal."

You can sub in subjective/objective instead of internal/external btw.

It's all relative after all, and there is nothing weird about relating to both. In fact it is impossible to relate to one of them only.
 
#22 ·
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#23 ·
From a paper on empathy I scraped from the net somewhere;
Affective Empathy:
It makes me sad to see a child who can’t find anyone to play with
Seeing a child who is crying makes me feel like crying
Sometimes I cry when I watch TV
It get upset when I see a child being hurt
Some songs make me so sad I feel like crying
When I see someone suffering, I feel bad too
When I walk by a needy person I feel like giving them something
It upsets me when another child is being shouted at
When my parents get upset I feel bad
I get upset when I see an animal being hurt

Cognitive Empathy:
When I am angry or upset at someone, I usually try to imagine what he or she
is thinking or feeling
I can tell by looking at a person, whether they are happy
I really like to watch people open presents, even when I don’t get a present
myself
When I am arguing with my friends about what we are going to do, I think
carefully about what they are saying before I decide whose idea is best

I can tell what mood my parents are in by the look on their faces
I notice straight away when something makes my best friend unhappy
I can often guess the ending of other people’s sentences because I know what
they are about to say
I often try to understand my friends better by seeing things from their point of
view
On the phone I can tell if the other person is happy or sad by the tone of their
voice
I often know the ending of movies or books before they have finished
I think people can have different opinions on the same thing
I can tell by the look on my parent's face whether it’s a good time to ask them
for something


Having this information, which one matches up with Fe and Fi?
F, or Feeling with a capital F because that is how Jung chose to call it, is value JUDGEMENTS. That was good or agreeable; that was not. Feeling upset about something is not, in and of itself, Feeling. Not as Jung meant it or how we talk about it: it is literally shorthand for Rational Value Judgement.

Fi makes RVJs (yeah, that's right, I made an initialism. I am as surprised and shocked as you. Did you know that RVJ isn't an acronym unless you pronounce it as a word, like "arvvj"? "Areveejay" is just an initialism. Learn something new every day.) quite subjectively and internally. Very 'from me, by me, for me'. They thus tend to be at odds with or done sort of regardless of objective reality. They also tend to be ruminative, impressionistic, inconclusive, nuanced. Jung described Fi as difficult to read and nearly impossible to tell how or what they will find value in. Subjective RVJ. If you want to think of an absurdly extreme (and thus unambiguous) example of Fi-dom. Think of Aubrey Plaza. When Jung described what an extreme Fi-dom would look like, he basically described Aubrey Plaza. When you observe an Fi, pull out a piece of paper and a pen and write down how they feel (RVJ) about anything. If they are really a solid example of an Fi, especially Fi-dom, at the end of any lengthy observation, despite the fact that much of the conversation led to RVJ-esque things, that paper should be basically empty. This is, again, because the yearning for nuance, the veneer of childish banality (to quote Jung) the intense subjectivity, should render any objective RVJ completely obscured or deferred.

 




Fe, of course, is objective. As @alittlebear says, it is not just following the crowd. It is calling it as it IS. It is strident, broad strokes, objective, on the mark (perhaps oppressively so) when making RVJs. Oprah, Tyra Banks, Obama, Jerry Seinfeld, MLK Jr., etc. All RATIONAL JUDGMENTS in the realm of Value (worth or lack of worth, good or evil, suitable or insuitable).

So, thinking of that I look up at those lines. I shrug. Affective seems very Fe to me because it is soaked into and aggressively affected by the Object. It isn't Feeling at all, though... it isn't RVJ. I already mentioned that. However, it really is soaked into and affected by the object. Perhaps just extraversion on the whole, and associations with feeling (not RVJ, but feeling). Definitely not Fi.

Cognitive Empathy is an interesting one. It is, often as not, dealing with fairly sensory-based (but intuition-influenced) observational qualities. It is a jumbly mess, however, ultimately... and I think it has a lot of explaining to do to justify why it says what it says and groups those things together. EXPLAIN YOURSELF, list!
 
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