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    Unknown Personality

    How Cognitive Functions Really Works, Please Only People With Pure Logic Enter!

    Actually, i want people in this thread are professional engineers, especially programmers, so we are thinking in the same logical level, i don't care your type. But if you feel like you are pure logical, you can also give a comment. I just find it is time wasting to discuss about cognitive function with people who doesn't use logic in the first place. I want the purest logician who can help me discover how the very core of cognitive functions work with a firm explanation. It doesn't need to be exactly the same as the definition of Jungian cognitive function, the important thing is the clarity of the system. Please tell me i am wrong ONLY if you think the system won't work, and not because it is not the same as the definition. Because i don't care about the definition. If you are the 'see this link' person, please don't comment anything.

    To make them short, this is the very rule of cognitive functions i learned:

    Fundamental

    1. Judging Function is a function to change or create an 'Object'.
    2. Perceiving Function is a function to gather an 'Object'.
    3. Object refers to absolutely anything.
    3.1. Object can be 'Physical Object' or 'Conceptual Object'.
    3.2. No 'Physical Object' is 'Conceptual Object', and vice versa.
    3.3. Physical Object is the representation of connected Objects.
    3.4. Conceptual Object is the connection between Objects.

    Extrovert and Introvert

    4. Extroverted function is all about 'The World'.
    4.1. 'The World' refers to any Object (see point 3) that is currently perceived by the sensing organs.
    5. Introverted function is all about 'The Mind'.
    5.1. 'The Mind' refers to any Object (see point 3) that is not currently perceived by the sensing organs.
    6. Extroverted judging function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes The World (see point 4.1).
    6.1. The only way one changes The World (see point 4.1) is by taking an action, therefore extroverted judging function is always an action.
    7. Introverted judging function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes The Mind (see point 5.1).
    7.1. The only way one changes The Mind (see point 5.1) is by 'Burning', therefore introverted judging function is always a 'Burning'.
    7.2. Burning is a process to change or create any Object (see point 3) in The Mind (see point 5.1).
    8. Extroverted perceiving function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers information of The World (see point 4.1).
    9. Introverted perceiving function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers information of The Mind (see point 5.1).

    Feeling and Thinking

    10. Feeling function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes or creates an Object (see point 3) with 'Trigger'.
    10.1. Therefore, extroverted feeling function is any action with 'Trigger',
    10.2. And introverted feeling function is any Burning (see point 7.2) with 'Trigger'.
    11. Thinking function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes or creates an Object (see point 3) with 'Standard'.
    11.1. Therefore, extroverted thinking function is any action with 'Standard',
    11.2. And introverted thinking function is a Burning (see point 7.2) with 'Standard'.
    12. Standard is an Object (see point 3) to be (or that has been) deducted logically into another Object (see point 3). Some people may call it a premise.
    13. Trigger is an Object (see point 3) to be (or that has been) inducted into another Object (see point 3).

    Sensing and Intuitive

    14. Sensing function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Physical Objects (see point 3.3).
    14.1. Therefore, extroverted sensing function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The World (see point 4.1),
    14.2. And introverted sensing function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The Mind (see point 5.1).
    15. Intuitive function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4).
    15.1. Therefore, extroverted intuitive function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The World (see point 4.1),
    15.2. And introverted intuitive function is a Perceiving Function (see point 2) that gathers Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The Mind (see point 5.1).
    16. How one deciphers an Object into a Physical Object or a Conceptual Object is unknown.

    That is the rule i hold about cognitive functions. If something is wrong or something is missing, let's discuss it.
    Last edited by reybridge; 10-19-2015 at 09:52 AM.
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    Unknown

    Wut. You're just redefining the literal definitions of the functions in a fancy way.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    "Please, only people with pure logic enter"
    Sorry, I only have logic cut with sarcasm, I'll have to hit up my dealer for some pure stuff.
    I'll come back later.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by reybridge View Post
    Feeling and Thinking

    10. Feeling function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) without any 'Standard'.
    10.1. Therefore, extroverted feeling function is any action without any 'Standard',
    10.2. And introverted feeling function is any Burning (see point 7.2) without any 'Standard'.
    11. Thinking function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) with some 'Standards'.
    12. 'Standard' is an Object (see point 3) to be (or that has been) deducted logically into another Object (see point 3). Some people call it a premise or a reason.
    I think the reasoning behind Fe being an action without a standard is flawed. If a standard is a logical reason for action, there has to be a similar premise for those operating with extroverted feeling as a Judging Function. I've had a chance to observe several people expressing Fe as a dominant or secondary function, and when (healthy) Fe-using individuals decide to act, it is with reason (just not as a Te or Ti user interprets it). Instead of proclaiming feeling functions as actions or burnings without a Standard, there should be another way of explaining it, perhaps:

    10. Feeling function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) with 'Principle'.
    10.1. Therefore, extroverted feeling function is any action with 'Principle',
    10.2. And introverted feeling function is any Burning (see point 7.2) with 'Principle'.
    11. Thinking function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) with some 'Standards'.
    12. 'Standard' is an Object (see point 3) to be (or that has been) deducted logically into another Object (see point 3). Some people call it a premise or a reason.
    13. 'Principle' is an Object to be (or that has been) inducted into another Object for harmony with others (in the case of action) or harmony within (in the case of burning). Some people may call it a moral or an ethic.

    The rest of your compilation makes sense.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

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    I love this post!! xD

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

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    I love this post!! xD

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by reybridge View Post
     

    Fundamental

    1. Judging function is a function to change or create an 'Object'.
    2. Perceiving function is a function to gather an 'Object'.
    3. Object refers to absolutely anything.
    3.1. Object can be 'Physical Object' or 'Conceptual Object'.
    3.2. No 'Physical Object' is 'Conceptual Object', and vice versa.
    3.3. 'Physical Object' is any Object that can be imagined.
    3.4. 'Conceptual Object' is the connection between some Physical Objects.

    Extrovert and Introvert

    4. Extroverted function is all about 'The World'.
    4.1. 'The World' refers to any Object (see point 3) that is currently perceived by the sensing organs.
    5. Introverted function is all about 'The Mind'.
    5.1. 'The Mind' refers to any Object (see point 3) that is not currently perceived by the sensing organs.
    6. Extroverted judging function is a function to change The World (see point 4.1).
    6.1. The only way one changes The World (see point 4.1) is by taking an action, therefore extroverted judging function is always an action.
    7. Introverted judging function is a function to change The Mind (see point 5.1).
    7.1. The only way one changes The Mind (see point 5.1) is by 'Burning', therefore introverted judging function is always a 'Burning'.
    7.2. 'Burning' is a process to change or create any Object (see point 3) in The Mind (see point 5.1).
    8. Extroverted perceiving function is a function to gather information of The World (see point 4.1).
    9. Introverted perceiving function is a function to gather information of The Mind (see point 5.1).

    Feeling and Thinking

    10. Feeling function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) without any 'Standard'.
    10.1. Therefore, extroverted feeling function is any action without any 'Standard',
    10.2. And introverted feeling function is any Burning (see point 7.2) without any 'Standard'.
    11. Thinking function is a Judging Function (see point 1) that changes (or creates) an Object (see point 3) with some 'Standards'.
    11.1. Therefore, extroverted thinking function is any action with some 'Standards',
    11.2. And introverted thinking function is a Burning (see point 7.2) with some 'Standards'.
    12. 'Standard' is an Object (see point 3) to be (or that has been) deducted logically into another Object (see point 3). Some people call it a premise or a reason.

    Sensing and Intuitive

    13. Sensing function is a perceiving function that gathers Physical Objects (see point 3.3).
    14. Intuitive function is a perceiving function that gathers Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4).
    15. Extroverted sensing function is a function to gather Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The World (see point 4.1).
    16. Extroverted intuitive function is a function to gather Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The World (see point 4.1) with 'N' process.
    17. Introverted sensing function is a function to gather Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The Mind (see point 5.1).
    18. Introverted intuitive function is a function to gather Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The Mind (see point 5.1) with 'N' process.
    19. 'N' process is a process to spot the connection between Physical Objects perceived.
    19.1. The connection generated by 'N' process is a Conceptual Object.
    There are a number of questions I have about this, but for now:

    If I imagine a chair, am I perceiving it with sensing or creating it with a judging function? If I imagine two different chairs, is 'chair' a conceptual object that connects the two imagined chairs? Can I imagine a conceptual object? If so, is it then a physical object?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by reybridge View Post

    Sensing and Intuitive

    13. Sensing function is a perceiving function that gathers Physical Objects (see point 3.3).
    14. Intuitive function is a perceiving function that gathers Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4).
    15. Extroverted sensing function is a function to gather Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The World (see point 4.1).
    16. Extroverted intuitive function is a function to gather Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The World (see point 4.1) with 'N' process.
    17. Introverted sensing function is a function to gather Physical Objects (see point 3.3) from The Mind (see point 5.1).
    18. Introverted intuitive function is a function to gather Conceptual Objects (see point 3.4) from The Mind (see point 5.1) with 'N' process.
    19. 'N' process is a process to spot the connection between Physical Objects perceived.
    19.1. The connection generated by 'N' process is a Conceptual Object.
    I'm not sure why 'N' process is necessary. It seems to imply that Physical Objects are logically prior to Conceptual ones. My understanding is that for Jung, Intuition/"Conceptual Objects" need not rely on "Physical Objects perceived"--and shouldn't for intuitive types.

    I think dropping Rule 19 and the 'N' Process makes the argument more accurate.

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    Unknown

    Pure logic? You've set yourself up for failure. Pure logic doesn't exist in human form.
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