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This is a discussion on Recent college grads w/little exp., how did you find a job related to your degree? within the Education & Career Talk forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by jamaix Job hunting is definitely hard on self esteem. My son started out full of steam, confidence ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaix View Post
    Job hunting is definitely hard on self esteem. My son started out full of steam, confidence and enthusiasm, but as the weeks have drug by I've noticed him getting more and more discouraged. He could have had the first job he interviewed for, but he turned it down. It was a commission job selling insurance policies and it held zero appeal to him. He is not exactly the pushy salesman type.

    He told me this evening that he was called for a 3rd interview for a marketing job he interviewed for a week ago. He hasn't decided whether he will opt out of the interview or not. The hours aren't very good and at 22 years old he wants a little time for dating and friends. The job is 6 days a week and weird hours (11 a.m. to 8 p.m.) making it hard to have a life outside of work. Plus there is driving time on top of that. I'm wondering if I should encourage him to just resign himself to no life for the next couple of years, or to hold out for something better. I need a crystal ball.
    haha, I'm an asocial night owl so I'd definitely take it. Plus everyone goes out at night on weekends anyway (at least where I live), during the day can actually be kinda dull and often most people are doing chores. I would sacrifice a social life for work if I could, have always envied people who manage to get wasted every weekend, generally make poor life decisions, but manage to have a job from which they aren't fired and appear competent to their superiors. That must take a lot of compartmentalizing, internally. Plus it's hard for me to meet people I get along with anyway, to the point it'd be much easier to have a social life if I meet people with common interests through work.

    Don't listen to me though, I probably have a mental disorder akin to workaholism. The irony

    ETA: And yeah it's ridiculous how many recruits there are for college grads to do sales and insurance work like that. That's one of the last types of jobs I'd want to be doing. Also it wouldn't get me anywhere career-wise. Which I'm sure is an interview question that comes up ("why are you interested in this type of work?") and my biggest weakness with interviews is that I'm a terrible liar. So if I know I don't want to be doing something, it might as well be written on my face in the interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaix View Post
    Job hunting is definitely hard on self esteem. My son started out full of steam, confidence and enthusiasm, but as the weeks have drug by I've noticed him getting more and more discouraged. He could have had the first job he interviewed for, but he turned it down. It was a commission job selling insurance policies and it held zero appeal to him. He is not exactly the pushy salesman type.

    He told me this evening that he was called for a 3rd interview for a marketing job he interviewed for a week ago. He hasn't decided whether he will opt out of the interview or not. The hours aren't very good and at 22 years old he wants a little time for dating and friends. The job is 6 days a week and weird hours (11 a.m. to 8 p.m.) making it hard to have a life outside of work. Plus there is driving time on top of that. I'm wondering if I should encourage him to just resign himself to no life for the next couple of years, or to hold out for something better. I need a crystal ball.
    I would say go for it. Getting experience is critical and will make it much easier to find another job that is more to his liking down the road. At this stage, being picky isn't a luxury that people really have, and 22 is about the ideal age if there is any to be locked down in a difficult working schedule; sure beats doing it at 40, as I have known some people to do.

    I will note however, that passing on the commission job was the right move. There are lots of scummy outfits that pray on the desperation of recent grads to get cheap, low-risk labor. I came into contact with one once and the bizarre recruitment tactics warned me off of them entirely. Unless doing sales is a genuine life goal for you it just doesn't make sense, and even if you want that for your career there are much better options.

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    One thing I've learned when growing up is that there are dreams and then there is reality. Dreams will drive you to aspire for whatever job it is you really want while reality will punch you in the face and not let you reach those dreams.

    I only know one person who actually works in a field related to their major and she likely got it because she was very involved with internships/college and social enough to make really good connections that helped her get there. Everyone else ended up wherever life lead them to, which are often as different jobs from their major as can be imagined. For example, my dad's major was geography but he ended up as engineer. No engineering degree but that's just the way life flowed for him. A big part of reaching a dream job is dumb luck, tbh. You have to apply at the right time in the right way to appeal to the right employers in the right economic setting in the right place ((if there's something you really want, you can't limit yourself to what's local. You may have to travel far from home to get what you want)). Most people will end up settling on what is available to them rather than what they really want because that's how the world works. Another aspect is... sometimes people aren't as well suited for their dream job as they might think they are. There isn't much point in getting your hopes up for anything because you'll more than likely be disappointed in the end. College builds up idealism rather than realism so this can be a real slap to the face to new grads.

    Good luck to your son, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Matthew View Post
    Another aspect is... sometimes people aren't as well suited for their dream job as they might think they are.
    This is true.

    Also that there can be a surprising learning curve that comes with one's dream job.

    I thought it would be my dream job to do freelance art - yet my first time felt like being slammed by a Mack truck. I had no idea about the time commitment, complexity, relationship between client and contractor, and the sheer amount of self-discipline required. I do plan to get into freelance again, but this time being incredibly careful about commitments, setting up a good schedule for myself, taking on only projects that really speak to me, and tripling the amount of time I think it will take in my estimate to account for reality. And I'll do it in tandem with a "regular" job that gives me a social outlet and more structure.
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    I think it is valuable to mention that it hasn't been very long if he graduated in April. It took me 6 months to find work in my field after I graduated, and I have known many people whom take over a year, or have to move far away to find work. The job I took was not ideal in many respects. The pay was 11/hr, less than I made before college, but gotta start somewhere.

    He is not alone, and he should not feel it is a problem with him. It is an employer's market right now. From everything said, however, it sounds like he is going to do ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaix View Post
    ETA
    MY son would like to work in the banking industry and was told that perhaps he could start as a teller and then move up. He has applied for many teller positions and has not received a single call for an interview. When I was in the bank this past week I noticed a young teller, I asked him how he went about securing his position. He said he applied online.

    Found out he was 19 with only a high school education and they hired him. My son is 22 with previous cashier/customer service experience and a college degree and he can't even get an interview?
    I actually work at a bank and it seems like a lot of the tellers are college students rather then college graduates. I also noticed a lot of people getting interviewed for a teller position. It's very possible HR managers perceive your son as being overqualified and figure it's more likely a low starting salary will be accepted by someone who has fewer credentials then he does.

    Has he tried applying for a personal banker position? It's probably not as commonly advertised as teller positions, but he might be more likely to get an interview considering he has prior relevant experience and he does hold a college degree.

    I don't know how large his family/friends social circle is, but if he hasn't already, I recommend he let everyone know he's looking for work, particularly in the banking industry. Not all jobs are advertised online and he might have more luck following up with word-of-mouth leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamesabers View Post
    I actually work at a bank and it seems like a lot of the tellers are college students rather then college graduates. I also noticed a lot of people getting interviewed for a teller position. It's very possible HR managers perceive your son as being overqualified and figure it's more likely a low starting salary will be accepted by someone who has fewer credentials then he does.
    The problem that he's running into when applying for most bank positions is that he doesn't have much relatable work experience. He's mostly worked during summer breaks while a full time student. He was a front counter cashier as well as a drive thru cashier for a fast food restaurant for a couple of summers, then worked for a tax prep business for 3 months. Combined though he probably only has about 18 months work experience spread out over the last 4 years. We had a small family lawn care business that he actively participated in throughout high school. He definitely knows how to work, he's just having troubles getting anyone to give him an opportunity to prove it.

    Has he tried applying for a personal banker position? It's probably not as commonly advertised as teller positions, but he might be more likely to get an interview considering he has prior relevant experience and he does hold a college degree.
    He has applied for many personal and relationship banker positions. He's assuming that he's not hearing from them due to the fact that he doesn't have enough banking experience.

    I don't know how large his family/friends social circle is, but if he hasn't already, I recommend he let everyone know he's looking for work, particularly in the banking industry. Not all jobs are advertised online and he might have more luck following up with word-of-mouth leads.
    My brothers wife is an assistant branch manager for one of the larger banks in our state. We haven't contacted her about this because we live almost 2 hours away and figured that it would be a bit far for her to have much influence.

    I think I'm going to encourage my son to contact her, it certainly couldn't hurt. Maybe she can give him some pointers for landing an interview.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by GhostWhisperer; 06-23-2017 at 10:19 PM.

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    I'm 25, and I think the most difficult thing for our generation is how little the previous generation can do to help. It's a very different field now to 20+ years ago- in the UK around 50% of people are going to university for example. A bachelors alone is not worth what it once was, and the labour class is shrinking in modern countries year by year, leading to a rise in middle class, and severe competition for graduate jobs.

    My advice to your son would be that he is still very young (for our generation 22 is incredibly green), and that at this point developing his skills is the key factor. He's walking into interviews without professional job experience, and even weaker life experience, and interviewers can smell that on someone. This is the time when he can afford to have shitty jobs if only to gain experience. Our generation is all about transient skills- it's considered that our generation will have an average of 7 jobs by the time we are 35!! We are more likely to move forward in the job market by moving jobs than through direct promotion.

    He needs to build up his professional work experience at a graduate or near-graduate level- this will give him the experience and confidence he needs, not only to put on his CV, but also to make decisions with a greater degree of know-how and confidence. Don't underestimate the value of investing in yourself rather than the certificates/contracts you have in your safe-closet.

    As for me? I did a BA in Sociology, and have been teaching English overseas- but I've been accepted to do an MA in Careers Management to move into the University careers sector, and perhaps Careers Consultancy eventually.. I didn't even bother trying to use my Sociology degree alone- I always knew I needed a unique edge in life experience and an extra edge in education to give me an advantage in my career, that has always been the plan. Plus I love traveling- and I wanted to enjoy myself during my early-20s.


    EDIT: Hold on.. your sister in law is an assistant bank manager? Couldn't she see check up on any vacancies/trainee/intern positions? He can just live in a cheap flatshare initially if necessary.
    Last edited by Tridentus; 06-24-2017 at 11:46 AM.
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    While still a senior in college, I found a local start-up hiring interns with my major through my college's newspaper of all places (2012). Responded to the ad and discovered the start-up was VERY new and tiny. So it was easy to join and start doing small projects here and there. Started just doing a few hours a week... Then after graduation I upped my hours (was being paid just above minimum wage) to near full time. I did that from June-October until I was hired as a full time, salaried employee. 5+ years later, we have grown and now I am a director at the company making a decent living. Not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by la_revolucion View Post
    While still a senior in college, I found a local start-up hiring interns with my major through my college's newspaper of all places (2012). Responded to the ad and discovered the start-up was VERY new and tiny. So it was easy to join and start doing small projects here and there. Started just doing a few hours a week... Then after graduation I upped my hours (was being paid just above minimum wage) to near full time. I did that from June-October until I was hired as a full time, salaried employee. 5+ years later, we have grown and now I am a director at the company making a decent living. Not bad.
    My son just got called to interview for a job at a local bank this next week. He is a bit discouraged about the pay offered, but understands that right now he just needs to get a job and begin accumulating some experience. He said, "well I guess I won't be moving out anytime soon." I am not at all concerned, he's a good kid and he can live at home as long as he needs to. I understand that he is just starting out and needs to gain experience. I told him that he has to pay his dues first before the better jobs open up to him.

    I think the starting pay is about $11 hr. He made $14.50 per hour last summer, but the job was production and really nothing to move up into.
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