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This is a discussion on Not getting hired? 10 reasons why within the Education & Career Talk forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; Originally Posted by rishabhpuri Hey, everyone, my name is Rishabh Puri , I am a successful businessman, an author, poet, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rishabhpuri View Post
    Hey, everyone, my name is Rishabh Puri, I am a successful businessman, an author, poet, and author.

    I interviewed a lot of candidates in my career.

    The reason why most of the candidates not get hired is that they don`t have the skill level and the lack of confidence.

    If you have these two things then there is no organization in the world which can reject you.
    Those are not the only reasons.There are plenty.Sometimes they would have rejected you for a different reason than the one they give you when asked.
    Last edited by DoIHavetohaveaUserName; 01-22-2019 at 04:27 AM.
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    I recently had to reject a number of great candidates who had the skills, the experience and the confidence, just for the reason that their salary request was way over my budget.

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    Made me think of this vid
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    The reasons I wasn't hired:
    1) Not having a degree
    2) Overqualified for the position
    3) Taking a cut in salary, they thought I would quit when I could get a job that matched my pay level. But I was laid off from my previous job, so I was getting desperate for anything.

    This last interview seemed very promising, I was even getting myself ready to travel across the country to live in a city I had never visited before. I was looking forward to the remoteness of the location. I was definitely qualified for the position, but I think what hurt me is that I needed 3 weeks to make the move, & they were in a pinch to fill the position. They had 2 ladies going on maternity leave, so they were in a hurry to train someone. That position was my dream come true in pay, schedule, & benefits, for a job I already know how to do. I was very disappointed when I got the letter.
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    Depends on the level of employment. If a child wished to cut your grass then making part of non public organizations aren't usually the main obstacle. But if you talk about executive level positions, or more then usually trust is the main issue.

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    What a snapshot of time.

  8. #227

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    1. You lie
    Back when I used to get job offers EVERY time I interviewed I ALWAYS lied. I told them I could already code their language and OS and tools. But I just knew I could do it. I hadn't actually done it. And I was offered every job, every time, with very few exceptions. These days though, even though I am honest and say I can learn any coding tool or language in a month and I have like 30+ years experience doing just that in like hundreds of different tools and a dozen languages across a dozen platforms, THAT ISNT ENOUGH.

    I feel as though the BEST thing, literally THE BEST thing I could do, would be to lie to them. Then I could get in the door and figure it out in short order like I used to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    2. You have a potty mouth
    I was like a late bloomer to cursing. I came from a strict family and was a nerd. I had to intentionally learn to cuss to fit in. No joke at all. In 7th grade I had a boy threaten to beat me up if I didn't unbutton my top button. It was years before I figured out he was trying to help me.

    I have recently lost several job's based on me being too kind and highbrow SEEMING to fit in at that company. The hiring manager literally told me, he himself didn't fit in on that basis and I was classier than he was in one case. This was a top end engineering firm with a diverse portfolio of applications in terms of their business partners. I had a friend that knew the guy and he told me that was the confirmed reason, that I was considered too polite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    3. You don't show long-term potential
    This is probably my #1 problem (on this list). Most companies look at me and think to themselves, 'This guy will get this job, stabilize and then farm it out for a real job. So the issue was convincing them they weren't crap as a company. They were kind of like women that way. Also items 3a and 3b are bigger issues:

    3a. You are too old
    Yeah, it makes category 3 a real thing. They think slow and cant adjust, and partly they are correct. I do not adjust to stupid very well, and most companies policies and processes are deeply stupid. I can say this as a professional. The software I most worked on was workflow and business intelligence engines.

    3b. The interviewer is terrified of you
    Most interviewers within the first few minutes begin to fear I will take their job, and that fear grows throughout the interview. By the end of the first 30 minutes they are usually stammering and sweating. It's so predictable and annoying. Remember that often I do not know their tools and specific software. Still, they KNOW I can and will learn it, so even their objections sound trite to them. They start apologizing for saying the canned crap. The one's that are are not afraid are usually just too stupid to be afraid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    4. You have serious digital dirt
    Who doesn't in some senses? Like if you have a brain and an opinion, social media will contain at least a few rants or embarrassing moments. And some of that is OTHER PEOPLE'S posts. I cannot even imagine a clean image campaign in terms of effort. I really do have to compare employers and women again. Their unreasonable expectations are just a joke. The fact that either can greatly affect my life is a certain sign that the metaverse is unfair, not quintessentially as the rules allow for choice, but just after that its unfair to give idiots choices. I am mostly an idiot on my own time only, and THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SHIT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    5. You don't know ... well, anything
    This point and the explanation of it are NOT well related. In terms of knowing stuff, THAT is not really an issue. If a person is smart and willing they can do anything almost. So that part of this issue is a non-sequitur for me. I never had a coding issue I could not solve that was solvable. In other words, yes, I have had employers ask me to force 1 = 0. I have actually left a company before where one of the executives and several of the sales staff were constantly telling me to do stuff that was logically impossible. They lied so much and had such success with lies, they could not understand why I couldn't get the machine to lie. Such fun times ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    6. You acted bored, cocky or disinterested
    99.99% of all work is boring, I can easily do it, and being interested in that work would make me boring and stupid. This should be a plus not a minus. Still, I can usually bring philosophy and wisdom into any discussion including explaining why the profit motive itself is highly immoral as the basis of motivation. Yep, that works wonders. But I tell you what it IS NOT boring or disinterested. It may in fact be slightly cocky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    7. You were a little too personal
    If THEY ask about your hobbies, THEY should be able to take discussing them. You have to insert the words, 'safe socially bland' in front of all personal things. I will now refer the employer back to item 6: THEY are boring, cocky(presumptuous), and disinterested; as well as item 1: THEY are lying about being interested.

    Relationships are a two way street.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    8. You were all dollars, no sense
    So I negotiate well! I have discovered in most places that I was the highest paid at my level. Often this was a sore point for managers who really didn't do anything. It's funny how their employees who actually did work didn't care and actually admitted that I was properly paid in most cases. It's the difference between a doer and a talker.

    And I can talk to. That really freaks them out. In my day nerds were people that could not talk. I was a rare exception. My human interface was not broken, and still is not.

    But, I am all about sense, real sense. To bad THEY are not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    9. You didn't -- or can't -- give examples
    This one is ridiculous to me. I am always the one that offers too many suggestions. Then they throw a meeting to complain that no one offers suggestions. I have to sit through that nonsense.

    I had one military boss painstakingly deliver a throw down on everyone (40+ employees, contractors and military oversight), and he showed why he was a big manager with his 8 point plan bragging he came up with it in the last few days. He was letting go all of the contractors, so I had nothing to lose. I asked him if he would hear me out. He was worried but he made the mistake of letting me speak. I had a folder I always took with me to meetings which I called my CYA folder. CYA is Cover Your Ass. It was all the email proof that I had offered LITERALLY EVERY SUGGESTION he was making (and a dozen more he didnt list) and all starting from when I was originally hired almost 4 years previous and up to the last week. That is a near thing to MOST of my employment experiences.

    Being able to imagine ways that things can be put together and make a difference IS WHAT I DO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy View Post
    10. You don't have enough experience
    The software industry has figured out a BS way to make this a tautology. No one person can have experience with every tool. Using my woman analogy, it would be like a woman saying, 'Do you have experience with fuming neuroticism, and lake night cake and ice creams binges; you know; making that ok in your life so it's ok in hers?' How do you answer that? Do I have 6 years experiences with some niche German software tool that that only created 3 years ago; ... um ... sure. Yes, I do. WTF!

    I have 30+ years experience as a software developer in all walks of the development cycle. <--- THAT should be my whole resume. THAT is all that really matters.

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    The thing about social media. What if there's 20 other people with your name and the employer clicks on the wrong person...

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    Quote Originally Posted by series0 View Post
    Back when I used to get job offers EVERY time I interviewed I ALWAYS lied. I told them I could already code their language and OS and tools. But I just knew I could do it. I hadn't actually done it. And I was offered every job, every time, with very few exceptions. These days though, even though I am honest and say I can learn any coding tool or language in a month and I have like 30+ years experience doing just that in like hundreds of different tools and a dozen languages across a dozen platforms, THAT ISNT ENOUGH.

    I feel as though the BEST thing, literally THE BEST thing I could do, would be to lie to them. Then I could get in the door and figure it out in short order like I used to do.


    I was like a late bloomer to cursing. I came from a strict family and was a nerd. I had to intentionally learn to cuss to fit in. No joke at all. In 7th grade I had a boy threaten to beat me up if I didn't unbutton my top button. It was years before I figured out he was trying to help me.

    I have recently lost several job's based on me being too kind and highbrow SEEMING to fit in at that company. The hiring manager literally told me, he himself didn't fit in on that basis and I was classier than he was in one case. This was a top end engineering firm with a diverse portfolio of applications in terms of their business partners. I had a friend that knew the guy and he told me that was the confirmed reason, that I was considered too polite.


    This is probably my #1 problem (on this list). Most companies look at me and think to themselves, 'This guy will get this job, stabilize and then farm it out for a real job. So the issue was convincing them they weren't crap as a company. They were kind of like women that way. Also items 3a and 3b are bigger issues:

    3a. You are too old
    Yeah, it makes category 3 a real thing. They think slow and cant adjust, and partly they are correct. I do not adjust to stupid very well, and most companies policies and processes are deeply stupid. I can say this as a professional. The software I most worked on was workflow and business intelligence engines.

    3b. The interviewer is terrified of you
    Most interviewers within the first few minutes begin to fear I will take their job, and that fear grows throughout the interview. By the end of the first 30 minutes they are usually stammering and sweating. It's so predictable and annoying. Remember that often I do not know their tools and specific software. Still, they KNOW I can and will learn it, so even their objections sound trite to them. They start apologizing for saying the canned crap. The one's that are are not afraid are usually just too stupid to be afraid.


    Who doesn't in some senses? Like if you have a brain and an opinion, social media will contain at least a few rants or embarrassing moments. And some of that is OTHER PEOPLE'S posts. I cannot even imagine a clean image campaign in terms of effort. I really do have to compare employers and women again. Their unreasonable expectations are just a joke. The fact that either can greatly affect my life is a certain sign that the metaverse is unfair, not quintessentially as the rules allow for choice, but just after that its unfair to give idiots choices. I am mostly an idiot on my own time only, and THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SHIT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.


    This point and the explanation of it are NOT well related. In terms of knowing stuff, THAT is not really an issue. If a person is smart and willing they can do anything almost. So that part of this issue is a non-sequitur for me. I never had a coding issue I could not solve that was solvable. In other words, yes, I have had employers ask me to force 1 = 0. I have actually left a company before where one of the executives and several of the sales staff were constantly telling me to do stuff that was logically impossible. They lied so much and had such success with lies, they could not understand why I couldn't get the machine to lie. Such fun times ...


    99.99% of all work is boring, I can easily do it, and being interested in that work would make me boring and stupid. This should be a plus not a minus. Still, I can usually bring philosophy and wisdom into any discussion including explaining why the profit motive itself is highly immoral as the basis of motivation. Yep, that works wonders. But I tell you what it IS NOT boring or disinterested. It may in fact be slightly cocky.


    If THEY ask about your hobbies, THEY should be able to take discussing them. You have to insert the words, 'safe socially bland' in front of all personal things. I will now refer the employer back to item 6: THEY are boring, cocky(presumptuous), and disinterested; as well as item 1: THEY are lying about being interested.

    Relationships are a two way street.


    So I negotiate well! I have discovered in most places that I was the highest paid at my level. Often this was a sore point for managers who really didn't do anything. It's funny how their employees who actually did work didn't care and actually admitted that I was properly paid in most cases. It's the difference between a doer and a talker.

    And I can talk to. That really freaks them out. In my day nerds were people that could not talk. I was a rare exception. My human interface was not broken, and still is not.

    But, I am all about sense, real sense. To bad THEY are not.

    This one is ridiculous to me. I am always the one that offers too many suggestions. Then they throw a meeting to complain that no one offers suggestions. I have to sit through that nonsense.

    I had one military boss painstakingly deliver a throw down on everyone (40+ employees, contractors and military oversight), and he showed why he was a big manager with his 8 point plan bragging he came up with it in the last few days. He was letting go all of the contractors, so I had nothing to lose. I asked him if he would hear me out. He was worried but he made the mistake of letting me speak. I had a folder I always took with me to meetings which I called my CYA folder. CYA is Cover Your Ass. It was all the email proof that I had offered LITERALLY EVERY SUGGESTION he was making (and a dozen more he didnt list) and all starting from when I was originally hired almost 4 years previous and up to the last week. That is a near thing to MOST of my employment experiences.

    Being able to imagine ways that things can be put together and make a difference IS WHAT I DO.


    The software industry has figured out a BS way to make this a tautology. No one person can have experience with every tool. Using my woman analogy, it would be like a woman saying, 'Do you have experience with fuming neuroticism, and lake night cake and ice creams binges; you know; making that ok in your life so it's ok in hers?' How do you answer that? Do I have 6 years experiences with some niche German software tool that that only created 3 years ago; ... um ... sure. Yes, I do. WTF!

    I have 30+ years experience as a software developer in all walks of the development cycle. <--- THAT should be my whole resume. THAT is all that really matters.
    The interviewer is terrified of you

    Haha, I've never experienced this.

  11. #230

    This thread is golden


     
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