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This is a discussion on ENFP Ladies: Favorite Disney Character? within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by angelcat *comes in, sees all the Disney princesses, backs away* My favorites are Scar and Frollo. ;) ...

  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcat View Post
    *comes in, sees all the Disney princesses, backs away*

    My favorites are Scar and Frollo. ;)
    YEEESSS. Hunchback is probably my favourite Disney movie! It's so underrated! And never will Disney ever make a villain song quite as intense as Hellfire. And props to Disney for keeping all the religious imagery there. The contrast between the different characters (like Frollo and Quasimodo) was fantastic. Heaven's Light and then straight to Hellfire? Yeeesss.
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  2. #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Jewl View Post
    YEEESSS. Hunchback is probably my favourite Disney movie! It's so underrated! And never will Disney ever make a villain song quite as intense as Hellfire. And props to Disney for keeping all the religious imagery there. The contrast between the different characters (like Frollo and Quasimodo) was fantastic. Heaven's Light and then straight to Hellfire? Yeeesss.
    It's my favorite, hands down. It's so amazing. I love that they did it in the style of the medieval passion play, with the characters all symbolizing deeper elements of human nature as well as being characters in and of themselves. It's the least-childish of all the Disney animated films (minus the gargoyles) and you can read a ton of things / symbolism into it, from Notre Dame literally embodying the themes of God to the characters' interactions with Notre Dame reflecting their perceptions of God.

    It's awesome. :D

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcat View Post
    It's my favorite, hands down. It's so amazing. I love that they did it in the style of the medieval passion play, with the characters all symbolizing deeper elements of human nature as well as being characters in and of themselves. It's the least-childish of all the Disney animated films (minus the gargoyles) and you can read a ton of things / symbolism into it, from Notre Dame literally embodying the themes of God to the characters' interactions with Notre Dame reflecting their perceptions of God.

    It's awesome. :D
    I need to watch it again now. ^-^ It is the least childlish. There's stuff in there you probably couldn't catch until you're older. Honestly, my least favourite part of the movie are the gargoyles. But I don't mind them that much. I know they're there for the kids. You're right too. It feels like Notre Dame itself is a character.

    I liked the idea of sanctuary. I love the scene where Esmeralda is singing "God Help the Outcasts". You have the contrast between her and the rich people who are insiders to the church, both of them seeking something from God. I like it because of course I think God is a God of the outcasts. :) And Esmeralda is able to find sanctuary in Notre Dame for a while. And in the end, Notre Dame kind of brings justice to Frollo, who thinks of himself as so righteous and thinks of himself as an executor of justice.

    Justice and injustice being another really cool theme in the story.
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    I have said so much about this film elsewhere (and could say more, but)... I like how the characters embody different elements of belief, as pertains to Notre Dame:

    Quasimodo: believes the Church (God) is a "Sanctuary," which can offer protection to the weak and defenseless, and defends others' rights to that Sanctuary. His perception of God is therefore a champion of the weak and defenseless, their protection against a harsh and corrupt world. His anger at Frollo is because Frollo abuses his authority and defies Sanctuary. This is, basically, the wider perception of God among the downtrodden and needy.

    Esmerelda: believes the Church (God) has the power to "help the outcasts," but sees Sanctuary as a prison more than a safe place, because it prevents her from exploring the outside world, because Frollo's desires keep her there. You could say this is the perspective of someone who desires to believe in God's goodness, but who does not "feel" they need it themselves, and sees the structures imposed by the Church throughout the ages as a barrier against their freedom and pleasure.

    Frollo: sees the Church (God) as harsh, demanding, and cruel -- because HE is harsh, demanding, and cruel. He operates under false piety, using excuses to justify his lustful behaviors ("it's not my fault... you made the Devil so much stronger than a man!") while being terrified of divine punishment... but it does not stop his actions. This reminds me a great deal of various corrupt "Church" officials throughout the centuries who used the Church to validate their actions rather than to check their emotions.

    Quasimodo therefore represents the purest form of faith in the story, because he has the right idea about Notre Dame / God. He is both representative of a believer and, in a sense, of a divine figure -- of mercy, grace, and goodness, born in a corrupt, blackened world, who thrives in his purity of soul despite the abuse of his master; an ideal archetype of the hero, and a mirror of a Christ figure. What's important to remember is how Notre Dame reacts TO the characters also, as representative of God -- it protects Quasimodo, it shelters Esmeralda, and it punishes Frollo by plunging him into a fiery pit -- literally, into hell.

    Now, you might wonder why I "like" Frollo so much as a villain -- it's because his desires are so human, and so real, and things that real people have craved and fought for over the centuries. He's a genocidal lust-driven maniac, which makes him more human and more terrifying than a lot of other villains whose motives are unclear (such as Maleficient).

    It's just... an awesome movie, from a religious / theological / historical perspective, and the score is absolutely gorgeous. I want to watch it now. :P

  6. #35
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    @angelcat , I couldn't thank that post enough. I don't have the skills of literary analysis that you do. Sorry I didn't immediately respond. You see, with the glitch happening, PerC keeps kicking me out. As a new member, with the password rollbacks that are happening to so many, I just end up getting locked out (I don't have a previous password so it goes back to the time I wasn't yet a member). Sometimes for days on end. o.O

    Quasimodo therefore represents the purest form of faith in the story, because he has the right idea about Notre Dame / God. He is both representative of a believer and, in a sense, of a divine figure -- of mercy, grace, and goodness, born in a corrupt, blackened world, who thrives in his purity of soul despite the abuse of his master; an ideal archetype of the hero, and a mirror of a Christ figure. What's important to remember is how Notre Dame reacts TO the characters also, as representative of God -- it protects Quasimodo, it shelters Esmeralda, and it punishes Frollo by plunging him into a fiery pit -- literally, into hell.
    Couldn't have put it better. Quasimodo is a beautiful character. I loved how he was so kind, despite his strength. I love everything you said about Frollo. He is my fav Disney villain too, for the reasons you mentioned. Come on, a Disney movie portraying lust? I doubt that'll ever happen again. They did it so well in this one, though.

    One of the reasons I love it is that it's such a good portrayal of people you'll find in the church. And outsiders to the church. And how God interacts with all of those different people.

    I want to watch it again too. Apparently there's a musical as well.

    How do you type the characters? Esmeralda I can see as being some type with Se (?) in her function stack. I can't see ESFP at all though. I think she leads with a judging function. Probably Fe.

    For the other characters, I don't have too much idea. Phoebus sometimes felt like a caricature and it's tempting to say he's a Se-dom because of that. But was there some Feeling of some sort there too?
    Last edited by Jewl; 09-11-2017 at 05:07 AM.
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    I like most of them.

    The only ones I don't like much are Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella.
    I don't know why but as a child, I was never attracted to the...Girlier, somewhat passive, feminine heroines. Plus I thought Cinderella was a little plain (shallow af I know.)

    Like since age 3, my first plan was to murder the stepmother and stepsisters and I couldn't comprehend why Cinderella never thought of that.
    It wasn't till I grew older that I realized bloody strategy cannot be shown for Disney female heroes. :P
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    Muuuuulaaaaaaaannnnn

    Because she saves her family and China. She's a motherfuggin' hero.mulan.jpg
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  9. #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Jewl View Post
    @angelcat , I couldn't thank that post enough. I don't have the skills of literary analysis that you do.
    In fairness, I've written several essays on the themes, so it was 'easy' to pluck examples out of thin air. ;)

    Sorry I didn't immediately respond. You see, with the glitch happening, PerC keeps kicking me out. As a new member, with the password rollbacks that are happening to so many, I just end up getting locked out (I don't have a previous password so it goes back to the time I wasn't yet a member). Sometimes for days on end. o.O
    I'm sorry to hear that. I hope they fix the glich soon, I've enjoyed reading your comments across the forum. :)

    Couldn't have put it better. Quasimodo is a beautiful character. I loved how he was so kind, despite his strength. I love everything you said about Frollo. He is my fav Disney villain too, for the reasons you mentioned. Come on, a Disney movie portraying lust? I doubt that'll ever happen again. They did it so well in this one, though.
    I remember when it first came out, my sister took her kid and FREAKED OUT over that song, she had no idea! She profusely warned my mother not to let us kids watch it. Fast-forward a few years, it's my favorite Disney film. ;)

    One of the reasons I love it is that it's such a good portrayal of people you'll find in the church. And outsiders to the church. And how God interacts with all of those different people.
    It is. And I'm not even sure those things were intentional -- but they stand out to me, more and more dramatically over time; perhaps because I search for them? Once you train your brain to notice specific things, they start to 'come out' in narratives. I think I first woke up fully to it when I saw Lord of the Rings, and got to thinking about the symbolism. Now I can find symbolism, spiritual or not, in most things.

    I want to watch it again too. Apparently there's a musical as well.
    I know there's a ... German? musical? or is it French? I have not heard it, alas.

    How do you type the characters? Esmeralda I can see as being some type with Se (?) in her function stack. I can't see ESFP at all though. I think she leads with a judging function. Probably Fe.
    I certainly see Fe/Se. I used to think ENFJ, but now I think more... ESTP with a well-developed Fe? She seems strongly Se to me.

    Quasimodo is such a sweet little ISFP. And Frollo of course is an INXJ. I think overall he's INTJ, but I have moments of doubt as I consider a warped INFJ. He seems to have purpose in eradicating the gypsies, but his tendency to blame God for 'making the devil so much stronger than a man' has remnants of unhealthy Fe (refusal to take personal responsibility for his own actions).

    For the other characters, I don't have too much idea. Phoebus sometimes felt like a caricature and it's tempting to say he's a Se-dom because of that. But was there some Feeling of some sort there too?
    I thought maybe ESTJ? "You leave town for a couple of decades and they change everything." Seems like he has some stubborn lower nobility, but... I could actually see EXTP. I think you could make a good argument for tert-Fe (he's amiable, likable, non-serious, and a rabble rouser when he becomes defiant).
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  10. #39

    BOY DO I HAVE A LIST FOR YOU:
    Jasmine
    Esmerelda
    Megara
    Rapunzel
    Moana
    Kida
    Merida

    (And then some villains cause why not):
    Ursula
    Maleficent
    Yzma
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  11. #40

    I HEART DISNEY.

    That said, my favorite characters are:

    Mushu (Mulan)
    Zazu (The Lion King)
    Cheshire Cat (Alice in Wonderland)
    Sebastian (The Little Mermaid)
    Skylar (Elena of Avalor)

    Yeah, I tend to go for the humorous sidekick types...


     
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