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This is a discussion on Something everyone should consider. What symptoms do you have? within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by AyaSullivan Hey, nor problem, I need to listen to new options and other's experiences otherwise otherwise I ...

  1. #11
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by AyaSullivan View Post
    Hey, nor problem, I need to listen to new options and other's experiences otherwise otherwise I would be trapped with my own experiences.
    That's very wise!

    Sorry if it looked like I was having a go at you before. Honestly, I had a lot of the same opinions as you when I was a wee bit younger. I change so much everyday, at my age, it's amazing. I don't even believe the same things I believed a week ago! Constantly growing, changing, forming new opinions, getting older.
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  2. #12
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    @Ace Face , thanks for sharing your story, it's always interesting to hear a fresh perspective. My Psychiatrist didn't initially think there was much wrong with me. She didn't pick up on the Aspergers until she had seen me a few times, and I had been writing daily emails to her with updates for a month or so. She also said really positive things, like that I was extremely intelligent and strong in some areas. She didn't think I actually had Bipolar, she believed I had been misdiagnosed. My parents went in and updated her on my history after they heard this, told them about some stuff I was doing when I was 19 and *manic*. It makes me wonder though, I am an inspirer, and my life had been hard, riddled with challenges and defeat. I went to a Christian camp the week before, and everyone was really encouraging and supportive, all of these creative sparks were awakened from being around so many young, happy, interesting, fun, kind people. I was excited by the sermons, the music and the culture. I suddenly had lots of ideas, lots of energy. I was trying things I had never thought of doing before, I came up with a detailed draft of a book and rang a few American publishing companies trying to sell it to them... unfortunately, I only got their answer phone (probably a technique to filter out the crazies, lol). I started exercising more. Starting writing like crazy. Taking on all sorts of projects. Up until that point I had been like a very depressed INFP but I turned into a Super ENFP. I'm kind of wondering if my attitude just changed over a week, or if I do actually have Bipolar. I lost the need to sleep and eat, I was talking a million miles a minute, everything in my head was crystal clear. I started making movies. I tried contacting Taylor Swift on youtube, and saying she should visit New Zealand, and she could stay at my house! (this was before she became International). I think I probably sick, some of that wasn't normal. I would lllooovvvee to be manic again, it's a lot of fun.

    Anyway, my Psychiatrist has been an interesting person to talk to! She describes my sister as ''a pain in the butt'' when I tell her about our fights (my sister can be a bit of a control freak) and says that she can understand why I struggle with my mum. She thinks I have a very stressful life and I shouldn't be this depressed if I make enough/the right changes.

    I always wondered if I had Seasonal Depression. I don't like Summer though, and I seem to get in scrapes no matter what time of year I'm in. My Psychiatrist thinks my Depression is triggered/due to stress. I think there's a lot of truth in that, I live in a very stressful family. Most people should probably move out of home by 18.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Face View Post
    Throughout that time and winter time, I really just seem to struggle. It's not a matter of will power either, because if it were, I guarantee you I wouldn't be struggling this much.
    I believe you and fully agree. I used to think it was mostly about staying positive and having will power, but you can't always control your circumstances or the people around you. You can't control your mood either, especially if you need medications to feel any kind of normal. I think we can choose to be positive, but you still won't be as happy as the regular joe if your default mood is low. I react to things a lot worse than most people. I am very sensitive to criticism, I just can't handle it. Espesically from my family, because their words actually mean something- they take a tiny bit of truth, then twist it and make it into this huge thing. At least with strangers, workmates, people at school etc, you can get away after a certain amount of time.

    Also, if you are unwell, you are likely to be in a bad mind frame, and it is so hard to have will power and do things that are good for you, unless you are highly motivated. When I feel terrible, it is highly unlikely that I will do exercise, or make a list of my blessings or a list of things you like about yourself- and a lot of the time, that stuff doesn't actually work. If a nap doesn't fix my problem, very few other things will.

    I'm okay with finding a medication to help me find balance, but I do refuse to take more that 50 mg of anything. If we push me beyond 50, I think my body would have more difficulty coming off the medication when the timing is right i.e. when I don't need it (Spring and Summer). That's not to mention the fact that I don't like feeling dependent on anything or anyone... especially a pill. It's just not in my nature to feel I have to rely on something or someone else. I do need something to help me function though, and I've come to terms with that. If I'm honest, 200mg just seems like an unnecessary amount for me personally, because I do just fine at a lower dosage. It gives me just enough to take care of the rest myself with sunlight, exercise, and other things. I just need a little boost to help level me out so I can feel normal during the winter months, and continue on with my life like usual. Like I said, I'm still trying to get some sun, I'm exercising more, and doing all the things a seasonal affective person should because regardless of what my psychiatrist is saying, I know all too well what's going on with me.
    That's interesting. I was on a 1000 mg a day of Epilium for four or five years. It played havoc on my weight. I thought it was a good medication, but I was crying for at least four hours every day for two years while I was on it, and I never got enough sleep. Changing to Quetiapine has been amazing, I barely ever nap during the day now! I'm only on 25 mg of that. I would have thought that you would need different doses for different medications?

    Oh, and the medication he gave me sent me into a fucking looney tune state of mind. Holy shit... I felt wayyy crazier AFTER taking it than I did before I took it. *shaking my damn head*
    Omg! If you didn't think you had Bipolar, you should have flushed the medications down the toliet and gotten a second opinion. Then again, seeing a Psychiatrist is very expensive, it's probably a one off for most people. I went along with my original diagnosis because I wanted to be a good little Christian girl and get my parents off my back. I didn't agree with it at first, but I wasn't in a great state of mind.

    I honestly believe it would be wise to do some research for yourself, and to be honest with yourself about the symptoms you're displaying. It will also give you time to better accept yourself and the fact that you might need some help. Do some soul-searching, and figure out what's really going on. I wouldn't just run straight to the pill doctor :P Educate yourself. /end rant
    What frustrates me is that no-one has really explained my condition to me. When I got diagnosed with Bipolar, I got a folder filled with stuff, and a Practice nurse visiting once a week to see how I was. By the way the Psychiatrist talks to me sometimes, I wonder if I'm only half way to Aspergers, not a full Aspie. I feel like I'm pretty good socially, I understand most stuff, still have strong feelings, can empathise with people, fall in love (and REALLY fall), grieve etc. People make out like people with Aspergers are these emotionless drones. It's all very confusing. And the Psychiatrist also keeps pushing at ADHD... erm no. I am one of the laziest people I know, if I had the ''H'' I would probably be skinny like my cousins, from constantly running around. I can agree with the ADD though, I do fit the symptom profile for that.

  3. #13
    ENFJ - The Givers

    I read that list of symptoms. Apparently, I have every single symptom. I however, do not have a single one of these disorders. Why not? Because I believe I am healthy and normal. Any problem I have with attention or social situations is not because of a disorder-- it has to do with "disinterest" or stress from being out of my comfort zone.

    They say that one should not associate too much with a label (this can apply to disorders too), lest one is unable to take off of the mask of self-imposed, self-limiting perception.

    I am not saying that these diseases do not exist, however, I think that everything in life is a state of mind.

    About a year ago I used to have "Highly-hypochondriac tendencies". I used to tell my mom "MOM! I THINK I HAVE ASPERGERS! Mom! I THINK I HAVE A BIPOLAR DISORDER! MOM I HAVE ADD! MOM! ADHD!"--"No son, you are just imagining these things"

    Now that I look back, it was just negative wishful thinking on my behalf. I've read a few self help books since then, and they have helped me tremendously.

    Just my 2 cents on self-diagnosing psychological disorders. :)
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  5. #14
    INFP - The Idealists

    Thanks for posting this - it's helped clarify what might be happening with my daughter,
    who is also a ennea 4 enfp.

    I also had many of those symptoms when younger, but with age they improved considerably.
    (as they will for you, amongst other things).
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  6. #15
    ENFJ - The Givers

    Quote Originally Posted by Belovodia View Post
    I also had many of those symptoms when younger, but with age they improved considerably.
    (as they will for you, amongst other things).
    This is probably the biggest amount of truth in a single post that I've read on this forum so far.
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  7. #16
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Belovodia View Post
    Thanks for posting this - it's helped clarify what might be happening with my daughter,
    who is also a ennea 4 enfp.

    I also had many of those symptoms when younger, but with age they improved considerably.
    (as they will for you, amongst other things).
    I'm so glad to hear that! The goal is to help at least one person. I really, really wish my parents could have seen this thread 15 years ago!

    How old is your daughter?

    It's funny, some of the stuff on the lists, I knew I was that way, but it was never talked about. I thought everyone else was the same way and those things were normal. I didn't understand how other people's experiances were so different to mine!

    If your daughter has all of those things, definitely print it off, and talk to a doctor or psychiatrist. If there is something there, you will save a lot of pain when she is older, and potentially missed a lot of opportunities, friendships etc. I should have graduated University by now. I haven't even started.

  8. #17
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by chickydoda View Post
    I'm so glad to hear that! The goal is to help at least one person. I really, really wish my parents could have seen this thread 15 years ago!

    How old is your daughter?

    It's funny, some of the stuff on the lists, I knew I was that way, but it was never talked about. I thought everyone else was the same way and those things were normal. I didn't understand how other people's experiances were so different to mine!

    If your daughter has all of those things, definitely print it off, and talk to a doctor or psychiatrist. If there is something there, you will save a lot of pain when she is older, and potentially missed a lot of opportunities, friendships etc. I should have graduated University by now. I haven't even started.
    She is 29 now and she has improved a lot since she was in her early twenties.

    However, having that information when she was a child could have
    have saved all the suffering and confusion, as I considered that her behaviour
    was the result of bad parenting. (well, I'm sure I could have done better).

    Back in the day when I was growing up, with all the ignorance, any difficulty
    with a child's behaviour was attributed to the child being 'defiant' and 'bad'. My very traditional
    SJ family thought that I had mental illness; of course I can laugh about it now; it did look
    as though I was crazy......possibly the ADD symptoms manifesting themselves.

    Great to see that you're so aware of yourself and you won't have to go through life like
    so many others, just thinking they're mad or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chickydoda View Post
    That's very wise!

    Sorry if it looked like I was having a go at you before. Honestly, I had a lot of the same opinions as you when I was a wee bit younger. I change so much everyday, at my age, it's amazing. I don't even believe the same things I believed a week ago! Constantly growing, changing, forming new opinions, getting older.
    It's okay. If I keep coming back at this forum is because people are kind enough to explain themselves and not throw a rock at me like most forum communities do. I'm very glad to have heard to you and @Ace Face sharing your stories. It made my option wither than before. Thank you both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belovodia View Post
    I also had many of those symptoms when younger, but with age they improved considerably.
    (as they will for you, amongst other things).
    That's what gives me hope.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Face View Post
    It probably isn't just an ENFP thing, but like you said, I can see where certain things might overlap. I do have a point I'd like to make though.

    I've know I've vocalized this recently, but I have a disorder in which my moods literally seem to change with the seasons. I am perfectly fine and normal until we start hitting the end of fall. Throughout that time and winter time, I really just seem to struggle. It's not a matter of will power either, because if it were, I guarantee you I wouldn't be struggling this much. I'm okay with finding a medication to help me find balance, but I do refuse to take more that 50 mg of anything. If we push me beyond 50, I think my body would have more difficulty coming off the medication when the timing is right i.e. when I don't need it (Spring and Summer). That's not to mention the fact that I don't like feeling dependent on anything or anyone... especially a pill. It's just not in my nature to feel I have to rely on something or someone else. I do need something to help me function though, and I've come to terms with that. If I'm honest, 200mg just seems like an unnecessary amount for me personally, because I do just fine at a lower dosage. It gives me just enough to take care of the rest myself with sunlight, exercise, and other things. I just need a little boost to help level me out so I can feel normal during the winter months, and continue on with my life like usual. Like I said, I'm still trying to get some sun, I'm exercising more, and doing all the things a seasonal affective person should because regardless of what my psychiatrist is saying, I know all too well what's going on with me.

    All that to say this: I think that many doctors overestimate their abilities to get to the bottom of the problem... especially psychiatrists. It would be one thing if they observed our daily behaviors and had our hormones checked, but they don't. They're supposedly relying on our own self-description to relay what's going on. Sometimes, we mask some of what's really going on, and I get that. What I'm frustrated with is the fact that I've told this guy exactly what is going on. I'm not hiding anything; I've been very straightforward with him. Instead of listening to me, he goes off on a rant about family history. I understand family history stuff, but this guy already had his mind made up about what was wrong with me based solely on my family history. That really pissed me off. Is it really so hard to be mindful of the fact that just because a person's family has a certain history of something doesn't mean it's going to happen with everyone in said family? I understand that that can be the case, but it's not for me. I have spent too much of my time reading, researching, soul-searching, and honestly self-analyzing for this jackass to just ASSUME he knows what's going on. He's neglectful, and the one question he asked me that brought him to his conclusion... "Who do you butt heads the most with in your family? Do you butt heads the most with your mom?" (Bipolar disorder runs on my mother's side.) I said, "Hmmm, yeah, I guess so." He took it and ran with it. He said that those who are most alike will butt heads the most and sent in a prescription to for bipolar disorder to my pharmacy before I could even get two words in. Basically, he was saying that since my mother was borderline for bipolar that I was probably at least borderline, if not completely bipolar. What he failed to realize is that I don't really have too much trouble with people in my family in general. Don't get me wrong, when something goes wrong in the family, it goes WAY wrong, lol... but that's hardly the norm anymore. Not only that, but the only family member I live with is my mom. Of course she and I are going to get into it the most. We're around each other constantly. She is the only one I see on a day to day basis. I hardly ever see the rest of them. Not only that, but we're two very different people with very different views on how certain things should be. Sometimes we clash, but usually, it's pretty peaceful. We've had our moments, don't get me wrong, but for this man to diagnose me based on one answer to one question... mind-blowing. Oh, and the medication he gave me sent me into a fucking looney tune state of mind. Holy shit... I felt wayyy crazier AFTER taking it than I did before I took it. *shaking my damn head*

    Moral of the story: your psychiatrist might not be as smart as he fucking seems, lol. I honestly believe it would be wise to do some research for yourself, and to be honest with yourself about the symptoms you're displaying. It will also give you time to better accept yourself and the fact that you might need some help. Do some soul-searching, and figure out what's really going on. I wouldn't just run straight to the pill doctor :P Educate yourself. /end rant
    I'm glad you shared your story about your experience with a psych. I aspire to be a psychiatrist who doesn't suck, so I find it particularly helpful to hear from people who've not had the best experiences. Did you end up finding a better doctor than he was for you?
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