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This is a discussion on Questions to an ENFP on absolutely ANYTHING :) within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by LadyBecca I admire those whose sense of beauty is such that they can appreciate what's beautiful in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyBecca View Post
    I admire those whose sense of beauty is such that they can appreciate what's beautiful in all things, even things that seem ugly and vile to most others. People whose sense of beauty was "refined" by the "best teachers in the world" strike me more as snobs concerned with status rather than with the reality of life. I know that sounds blunt, but there you have it.
    It's very beautiful to admire those people but there is alway something we find ugly, there is always something we are snob about because we never meet anyone who matches out intelligence. We are all snobs, we all say that we learned something with the best, or we have read the best books, or whatever. I admire @All in Twilight honestly to say that he think he has a refined taste, which doesn't mean you think he does.
    This is a very subjective topic. After all, one man's garbage is another's men treasure.

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Well yeah, I'm a snob about certain things, but I don't view my instances of snobbery as positive attributes, as much as I also try to accept myself as I am and all that (blah blah blah). I'm not sure if I've ever said anything equivalent to "I've learned with the best" or "I've read the best books." I mean, give me a break. I went to a fucking state university that was basically a giant glorified community college; I certainly didn't learn with "the best," although I did have a few pretty badass teachers here and there. What I'm trying to say isn't that I think All in Twilight has unrefined taste. It's that I don't have much respect for the very concept of "refinement" that he seems to be describing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyBecca View Post
    I admire those whose sense of beauty is such that they can appreciate what's beautiful in all things, even things that seem ugly and vile to most others. People whose sense of beauty was "refined" by the "best teachers in the world" strike me more as snobs concerned with status rather than with the reality of life. I know that sounds blunt, but there you have it.
    Bluntness is ok. Let me clarify this situation:

    If we both had to judge the beauty of a Greek temple for example, I would incorporate sacred geometry (adding flavors →Te and Si)) while you would just stay focused on what you perceive (Ne-Fi only with some poor use of Te and Si). that makes your value judgment way more subjective and incomplete.

    If I had to judge a piece by Bach, I can actually analyze it to shreds (adding flavors→Te and Si) which leads to a deeper understanding of the piece while you're confined to your subjective hearing and reasoning only - I like it or not but that is poor reasoning of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All in Twilight View Post
    If I had to judge a piece by Bach, I can actually analyze it to shreds (adding flavors→Te and Si) which leads to a deeper understanding of the piece while you're confined to your subjective hearing and reasoning only - I like it or not but that is poor reasoning of course.
    And this is why I don't like to listen to music without knowing about it.

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I don't know. "Sacred geometry" sounds pretty subjective to me. Or are there double-blind, peer-reviewed empirical studies that quantify how sacred a particular Greek temple's geometry is?

    Also, I'm capable of analyzing music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AyaSullivan View Post
    And this is why I don't like to listen to music without knowing about it.
    I think we are polishing our taste all the time during our entire life and I do think that some pieces of art are better than others. Taste will always be subjective in a way but the more facts we can add to our judgments/the way we want to give something value, the better understanding we achieve of that particular object we judge. ENFPs have the perfect cognitive functions to apply this process to perfection. But sometimes thing just are and we shouldn't judge at all. Taoists are extremely good at this - observing the observed without judgment. I appreciate the latter philosophy big time as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All in Twilight View Post
    I think we are polishing our taste all the time during our entire life and I do think that some pieces of art are better than others. Taste will always be subjective in a way but the more facts we can add to our judgments/the way we want to give something value, the better understanding we achieve of that particular object we judge. ENFPs have the perfect cognitive functions to apply this process to perfection. But sometimes thing just are and we shouldn't judge at all. Taoists are extremely good at this - observing the observed without judgment. I appreciate the latter philosophy big time as well.
    I meant without having a knowledge of the theory but that was an interesting read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All in Twilight View Post
    sometimes things just are
    But only sometimes! At all other times, things just aren't and we should be applying to them our super polished judgment that we were taught in music school!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyBecca View Post
    I don't know. "Sacred geometry" sounds pretty subjective to me. Or are there double-blind, peer-reviewed empirical studies that quantify how sacred a particular Greek temple's geometry is?

    Also, I'm capable of analyzing music.
    This makes it a bit hard for me to clarify myself. Geometry is inherently objective. Just google Plato and sacred geometry. Da Vinci applied it all the time. Most people don't know why they like Da Vinci, they just like it but they can't rationalize why they like it. But there is a good reason why Da Vinci is so appealing: sacred geometry→golden ratio (can be found everywhere in nature as well) - we humans are naturally attracted to that because it makes sense/it makes it visually appealing. But we are getting a bit off topic (derailing the thread) so if you want to debate about this, you have to start your own thread.
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    Why would I want to debate you about this? LOL. I just think you are pretentious and am making fun of you. That's where I'm coming from here.


     
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