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  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by NIHM View Post
    Well, we planned on flying from the southern tip of Italy back into Paris, France and then going south (train or car). It depends if the train allows us to bring our luggage. I love trains and enjoy them but I'm finding at least with the train from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem there is no room for luggage. Also, our schedule isn't set so we're kind of going to stop if something looks interesting and stay in a town longer overnight just to see it. My husband doesn't mind schedules and kind of fills in the details for me, he's an INTJ but he also likes my wandering spirit of ohhh look a field of flower gardens, let's stop. lol. Like he's already been the one to say, no sweety we can't rent the Fiat, our luggage won't fit. I wish I could decide just to take a backpack and a few essentials. He also points out that we need a Visa to enter both Jordan and Turkey if we went to visit them prior to flying from the States. He also has pointed out we will, however, have to stick to some schedule since we will have reservations and hotels and airfare tickets. The reason I'm planning now everything before we sit we a travel planner agency in one week. So far I have Israel, Jordan, and Istanbul (Turkey) mapped out on what we're going to do.

    Again while in France, Paris will be the start and then go to the south of France. I'm pretty sure I'm going to add more days to France. I was eyeballing it just now.
    Haha good your husband is taking care of the practical side ! So to resume what I can tell you based on your reply :

    General infos :

    -Money change won't be a problem since you will do Italy before France. Euro zone.
    -SNCF trains perfectly accept luggage, no worries ! There are spaces to store it in each wagons. There is only few restrictions on the following lines = for Thalys lines and for Ouigo tickets, where you will need to pay supplement for more baggage than what is allowed. So as long you have money = no luggage problem.

    Paris infos :


    -It is better to use the subway than buses (RATP lines), and usually you will travel between zones 1,2 and 3.Here a link for more infos
    -4 to 5 days is enought to enjoy Paris.
    -Almost all big touristic places are accessible by walk.

    Places to visit :

    -Eiffel Tower by Trocadero place the view is fine. If you plan on entering the Eiffel Tower, do reservation and if possible avoid 10 am-5pm time slot.

    -Cité Island with Notre Dame (hmm...), Sainte Chapelle, and many more !

    -Starting from the Triumph Arc, going down the Champs-Élysées avenue to end up to Concorde Place. From here you can access two others sites (Tuileries garden+Louvres, or Opera of Paris).

    -Latin Quartier in 5th arrondissement, with the Pantheon, Sorbonne, Luxembourg garden, Cluny museum (Middle age museum), Lutece therms, Mouffetard street, la Huchette street...

    A link with a detail of each places to visit by arrondissements, it can be helpful because indeed Paris is too big to be resumed in few lines. I personally enjoy mostly Opera quartier, 13th, 16th, and 17th arrondissements for example, but that my personal tastes.

    Where to eat and drink :

    Usually you will have enough choices to find on your visit a good place to eat and drink, sadly i won't be of any help for this part. But usually TripAdvisor rating and comments are pretty spot on.


    After Paris, depending on your ending town, in which town will you end your trip ?
    Last edited by VoicesofWinter; 05-18-2019 at 02:07 PM.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyau Obscur View Post
    Haha good your husband is taking care of the practical side ! So to resume what I can tell you based on your reply :

    General infos :

    -Money change won't be a problem since you will do Italy before France. Euro zone.
    -SNCF trains perfectly accept luggage, no worries ! There are spaces to store it in each wagons. There is only few restrictions on the following lines = for Thalys lines and for Ouigo tickets, where you will need to pay supplement for more baggage than what is allowed. So as long you have money = no luggage problem.

    Paris infos :


    -It is better to use the subway than buses (RATP lines), and usually you will travel between zones 1,2 and 3.Here a link for more infos
    -4 to 5 days is enought to enjoy Paris.
    -Almost all big touristic places are accessible by walk.

    Places to visit :

    -Eiffel Tower by Trocadero place the view is fine. If you plan on entering the Eiffel Tower, do reservation and if possible avoid 10 am-5pm time slot.

    -Cité Island with Notre Dame (hmm...), Sainte Chapelle, and many more !

    -Starting from the Triumph Arc, going down the Champs-Élysées avenue to end up to Concorde Place. From here you can access two others sites (Tuileries garden+Louvres, or Opera of Paris).

    -Latin Quartier in 5th arrondissement, with the Pantheon, Sorbonne, Luxembourg garden, Cluny museum (Middle age museum), Lutece therms, Mouffetard street, la Huchette street...

    A link with a detail of each places to visit by arrondissements, it can be helpful because indeed Paris is too big to be resumed in few lines. I personally enjoy mostly Opera quartier, 13th, 16th, and 17th arrondissements for example, but that my personal tastes.

    Where to eat and drink :

    Usually you will have enough choices to find on your visit a good place to eat and drink, sadly i won't be of any help for this part. But usually TripAdvisor rating and comments are pretty spot on.


    After Paris, depending on your ending town, in which town will you end your trip ?
    Yeah I'm not sure where to go next I thought east side of France down to Nice and follow the coast to Spain but then I really want to go to Amboise and Bordeaux. The last city I stay in France might be Perpignan? I start the journey on July 22nd and have to hit the end in Portugal on Oct 1, because I need to be back in the states for my best friend's and brother-in-law's wedding. I thought early September to wrap it up but viewing of France I'm pretty certain I'll need to amend that to September 30 lol.
    Last edited by NIHM; 05-18-2019 at 04:03 PM.

  3. #13

    September is the best month to visit the south of France. It's generally not too hot, not rainy, and the local markets are stuffed with fruits of all kinds.. If you go by train, don't take the direct Bordeaux-Toulouse line. Use the south line instead to add a few nice halts : Biarritz, Pau, Lourdes eventually, you can skip Tarbes, not very interesting... then you have two options to finish at Perpignan :

    1) By the plains, Toulouse - Carcassonne - Narbonne, Toulouse is big but not very interesting, Carcassonne is a cool medieval city, crowded tho.. Narbonne is nice too.
    2) By the mountain, it's longer but you can make a halt in some village and enjoy the Pyrénées, around Font Romeu.. I'd pick this one personally.
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  5. #14
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    I don't know if you've been to these before, and I've only been to a few of those places but here are my two cents:

    France is a little overrated as a romantic city- I would hugely recommend Amsterdam for a dreamlike nighttime stroll under headlamps, cobbled streets and canals. Prague is also amazing. I know it sounds strange to go just for a "walk" but in my view it's well worth it. There is a magical "movielike" vibe there, whereas Paris is 30% magic and 70% any other cosmipolitan city. The Louvre is WELL worth it, VERY worth it, but the lines are 4+hours long, although my travel friend got us in through some secret cheat ticket that I don't remember. OH- be careful of restaurants in Paris... I went to a very highly rated one once and they treated us like shit with dirty looks because we spoke English, and my "steak" was raw- I hate to say it but it might be worse for Americans.

    In Germany Berlin is definitely the place to go, do not go to Munich unless you are a huge fan of history (even then, if it's just a few days Berlin is better). Munich is an upper-middle class area where the whole city feels like a gated community. But it does have good museums.

    If you are going to Spain I would go to Barcelona- not only the most interesting architectural city in Spain with the best vibe, but I would also recommend seeing Barcelona play to see Lionel Messi- he may be the greatest sportsman of all time (considering that "soccer" has the highest number of kids who play it, and therefore biggest pool of potential talent) and even if you don't like football- it's a cultural experience and who knows if your kids will like football you can tell them you saw Messi play and they will be amazed even 30 years from now.
    EDIT: just realised the season is over and Messi will be on holiday.
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  6. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridentus View Post
    I don't know if you've been to these before, and I've only been to a few of those places but here are my two cents:

    France is a little overrated as a romantic city- I would hugely recommend Amsterdam for a dreamlike nighttime stroll under headlamps, cobbled streets and canals. Prague is also amazing. I know it sounds strange to go just for a "walk" but in my view it's well worth it. There is a magical "movielike" vibe there, whereas Paris is 30% magic and 70% any other cosmipolitan city. The Louvre is WELL worth it, VERY worth it, but the lines are 4+hours long, although my travel friend got us in through some secret cheat ticket that I don't remember. OH- be careful of restaurants in Paris... I went to a very highly rated one once and they treated us like shit with dirty looks because we spoke English, and my "steak" was raw- I hate to say it but it might be worse for Americans.

    In Germany Berlin is definitely the place to go, do not go to Munich unless you are a huge fan of history (even then, if it's just a few days Berlin is better). Munich is an upper-middle class area where the whole city feels like a gated community. But it does have good museums.

    If you are going to Spain I would go to Barcelona- not only the most interesting architectural city in Spain with the best vibe, but I would also recommend seeing Barcelona play to see Lionel Messi- he may be the greatest sportsman of all time (considering that "soccer" has the highest number of kids who play it, and therefore biggest pool of potential talent) and even if you don't like football- it's a cultural experience and who knows if your kids will like football you can tell them you saw Messi play and they will be amazed even 30 years from now.
    EDIT: just realised the season is over and Messi will be on holiday.
    Yeah, I'm a little bit leery of my American accent but I also am a glass is half full. I'm pretty sure most people will be nice and there will be a handful of people that disdain Americans. I know when I was sixteen briefly going around to other areas that I found all the other American kids in my boarding school were treated with disgust in Eastern France, as they would treat my very Texas accent with humor and smiles. Like I would get "Go John Wayne." lol I still have that accent so hopefully, it hasn't changed and they'll be ok with it or they might just think great she's not only American but one of those rednecks. LOL

    Unfortunately, the north part of Germany like Berlin is going to be held off for another trip a couple of years down the line but we will be stopping in Munich. I wish we had enough time to stop in Amsterdam but it's going to be apart of our next trip to discover the north part of Europe. I would give anything to see a football match in Europe and yes Barcelona is a stop on our list through Spain. Can't wait.
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  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by NIHM View Post
    Yeah I'm not sure where to go next I thought east side of France down to Nice and follow the coast to Spain but then I really want to go to Amboise and Bordeaux. The last city I stay in France might be Perpignan? I start the journey on July 22nd and have to hit the end in Portugal on Oct 1, because I need to be back in the states for my best friend's and brother-in-law's wedding. I thought early September to wrap it up but viewing of France I'm pretty certain I'll need to amend that to September 30 lol.
    I personally am from northeast of France, and usually either go from Paris gare de Lyon to take TGV to Nice, or I go down Dijon (a very nice town by the way), to take again a TGV to Nice. I'm more accustomed to eastern and center parts of France (Reims, Metz. Grenoble, Lyon, Nice, Marseille, all coastal towns until Menton), a bit of Bretagne (Quimper, Nantes, Brest,...) a bit of Vosges.
    You picked one of my less know parts of France ! XD

    Checking few things, there is indeed a direct line from Paris-> Amboise, (2h max, Ter line so no luggage problems). From Amboise you can easily visit near towns like Tours for example.

    From Amboise you will be able to go to Bordeaux but not direct line I think (Amboise-> St Pierre des Corps, less than 30min of wait and then a TGV to Bordeaux with one stop at Angoulême. Total time travel = 2h). In Angoulême in September it won't be very busy I think, except if you are here from mid September for the Circuits des remparts. Angoulême is mostly know for its Comics festival in January, nothing else.

    I personally recommend instead to go from Tours to Bordeaux with a stop to Poitiers. It is a bigger and more lively town than Angoulême, and tied with France history and parts of arts and historical towns of France (lot of historical buildings and Alienor of Aquitaine held her court here.) And the Futuroscope is here.

    From Bordeaux you will need to decide either you follow the southwest line down to Tarbes (TV direct line, 3h) with towns worth visiting :

    -Pau for its landscapes views, the town try to protect it. For its green politc, it have 4 flowers (a notation of the greens spaces qualities in towns, Pau have one of the best rating). Forêt de Bastard sound nice to walk in.

    -Lourdes is well know for its source and miracles healing. World know, it have enough to to keep busy for days. From religious sites, historical monuments, the Lourdes lake...September is busy since it is Lourdes haute season, so no worry about what to do and see, more worry about crowds.

    Or the line southeast to Narbonnes and from Narbonnes down to Perpignan (a total of 5h travel). Towns worth visiting on the way are :

    -Montauban, but especially for Ingres fans. But there is renovation which means the collection isn't fully available until end of 2019.

    -Toulouse is an important city again from an historical and artistic point of view, nicknamed the pink city because of its traditional toulousaine pink bricks. Unesco labels for Canal du Midi, Basilique St Senin. Gastronomy specialties are Cassoulet with tarby haricots, a very good range of southwest wines, and sweets made with violette flowers. A good towns for its multiples gardens too and shopping place.

    -Carcassonne. Another important city from historical and arts point of view. Unesco label for its medieval city, a very big one well conserved which is very rare. Like for Toulouse you can see the Canal du Midi. A big range of gastronomical specialties.

    -Narbonne. Would be interesting for its Natural park, and many more natural points, so it could be a good change, there is nautic sports, a plage.

    PS : Judging by your programme, you will probably start in France around mid September and leave France end of September indeed. Even if you shorten your stay to Paris to 3 days, and visit the rest in one day, the transport will take an important time slot. You probably be able to visit 3-4 towns+Paris, that sound reasonable. Good luck with your planning, don't hesitate if you want more précisions ! :)
    Last edited by VoicesofWinter; 05-19-2019 at 10:28 AM.
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    Upping the topic, how is your travel planning going on @NIHM ? Hope the practical matters don't kill the excitement !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyau Obscur View Post
    Upping the topic, how is your travel planning going on @NIHM ? Hope the practical matters don't kill the excitement !
    Oh no, I'm still working it out but we did have a wrench thrown in. My best friend wants to do her shower in September so we have to cut our vacation short; so part of Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal is out. We might be able to spend some days in Paris on our flight back but we're saving that portion of Europe for next year because I don't want all my research to go to waste. I'm her best friend and she's about to become my sister in law, so it's an event I can't miss. When they told me last week at the memorial picnic weekend, I was like yeah... September... really... *half-hearted cheer*, I'll be there *grin on my face but secretly inside pouting.*

  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by NIHM View Post
    Oh no, I'm still working it out but we did have a wrench thrown in. My best friend wants to do her shower in September so we have to cut our vacation short; so part of Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal is out. We might be able to spend some days in Paris on our flight back but we're saving that portion of Europe for next year because I don't want all my research to go to waste. I'm her best friend and she's about to become my sister in law, so it's an event I can't miss. When they told me last week at the memorial picnic weekend, I was like yeah... September... really... *half-hearted cheer*, I'll be there *grin on my face but secretly inside pouting.*
    Aha I see, congrats then ! You still have 9 countries to fully visit, and if lucky enough Paris that's quite the schedule ! Good luck with the whole preparation for everything !
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  11. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyau Obscur View Post
    Aha I see, congrats then ! You still have 9 countries to fully visit, and if lucky enough Paris that's quite the schedule ! Good luck with the whole preparation for everything !
    Thank you, I can't wait.



     
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