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    Immature Fi&lack of tangible values

    Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?
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    What does it mean to be valueless to you?

    Does lacking Fe mean you don't fit into a political tribe? I don't think it does. Does not fitting in to a particular mindset make you valueless or do you have your own unique values?

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    Well, if you're looking to Fe to compare your Fi values, you're going to feel like an outcast. I'm very similar, I don't really fit into any particular political or moral ideology. I can't think of any "tribe" that wouldn't find a particular habit of mine pretty sketchy or vice versa, but I am very moral at heart. But my morality doesn't naturally align with any single group.

    This isn't particularly unusual, not everybody fits completely anywhere, but I do think that Fi finds the value differences disconcerting.

    You said that "The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior.", can you expound on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radha View Post
    Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?

    Well lets work on this a bit, then. It's brave to reach out on these things, I think. I like it and I think we safely can facilitate growth on these forums.

    First lets get this question out of the way: Could you be an ENTP?. Would you say you feel strong feelings and "right and wrong" kind of judgments often? For instance like, "That feels so right" or "That is SO WRONG! OR do you feel more like judgments are more about reasons like: "That makes sense" Or "That doesn't make sense" So that can be a consideration.

    As for politics, a lot depends on what information you listen to since if you listen to both sides you can sometimes see missing information in the other side or a certain spin that starts to look like it's founded on nothing and run by fear or hate. Well, some people never look at the information in politics and likely live just fine.

    To develop Fi you have to feel. You dig into and explore your feelings and other people's feelings. You basically study feelings by looking at the situations of others and then if you have Fi you can't help but get more and more opinions. Fe "wafts" in whenever you're talking with people. Ti takes studying data which also makes you generate more and more opinions.

    Alright, lets hear what you'd like to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radha View Post
    Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?
    It doesn't seem like a one-function thing to me, it's a culmination of things, like it's very possible you haven't cultivate an interest in politics and therefore not exposing yourself to enough information to begin with.

    Having trouble placing yourself because you see good things may actually be *too* much F influence, as you judge things feel 'good' and avoid exposing yourself to further, possibly conflict-inducing information to change your decision.

    You probably need to tell us more about your thought process here.
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    Having a "passionate" directioned and singular stance on a majority of things is not "mature Fi" no. In fact, mature Fi should be felt not over-analysed. A.k.a. just be yourself/gowiththeflow/don'ttrytoohard,etc.

    Take care of yourself properly and be healthy in physical ways first, social and habitual ways second, do healthy self-esteem boosting things, and your Fi will work on its own. It's when you are stressed or live an unhealthy life in whatever form that may be that Fi will degrade, and you can't "correct it" with logic and analysis Te like this post is doing. Having said that as I write this the reason I know this is because I do the same thing.

    There's a reason why ENFPs like Will Smith display an inspiring level of Fi values every single day, and it's because he is disciplined in taking healthy actions for his physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing every single day. Once that happens- Fi is automatic.

    Exercise for example is one of the best ways to improve Fi just by itself if you can get into the regular habit of it.
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    Ah, so many replies. I'm on my phone now so I will be giving general answers.

    Valueless means not being able to point any value and say it resonates with me.

    I like being honest to the point of being blunt and naive. I feel the need to be real that I think has a lot to do with Fi. I always felt that was the FiTe in me, with the Ne wanting to see the chaos that ensues when unconfortable truths come to light.

    I thought I was ENTP for a while. But I'm pretty sure I have Te, not Ti and Fi not Fe. I have very black and white thinking and have NeTe loops a lot. At least I think I do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    Having trouble placing yourself because you see good things may actually be *too* much F influence, as you judge things feel 'good' and avoid exposing yourself to further, possibly conflict-inducing information to change your decision.
    Well, that would still fall under the category of "immature Fi", seeing that it's not being tempered by other functions when it needs to be.

    Finding "a spot on a political spectrum" is overrated. Politics tends to be a tangled cobweb of misinformation, half-truths, hidden information, etc. And things are constantly changing and being redefined. I'm not saying politics is overall a bad thing, but it's complex and it's messy and it's driven by millions of people with millions of different ideas on how the world "should" be. It's perfectly logical to just refrain from choosing a "side" or offering an opinion if you feel like you don't have enough information or if you need time to sort it all out first. And like Panda said, maybe you simply haven't exposed yourself to very much of it.

    Politics is full of hot-headed people with hot-headed opinions and a lot of pressure to conform. Don't let those people influence you, or make you feel like you absolutely need to pick a side so they can decide whether to keep you "in" their group or kick you to the curb. If they're so eager to kick you out if you don't conform to their standards of political perfection, just let them go. You shouldn't be confined to living your life by their rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENFPurpleKitti View Post
    Well, that would still fall under the category of "immature Fi", seeing that it's not being tempered by other functions when it needs to be.
    Yea but framing it like that is perhaps inaccurate as it isn't the action of a single function here but the dynamic of the personality and therefore how all functions work together and what specific preferences the individual has. It may seem like a technicality but I think such small things amount to a better understanding of typology & personality, in the end.

    I absolutely agree with what you say about politics and also for me, I always put a lot of thinking on the general humanity issues of ethics/morality and overarching political stuff which is a thing NPs often do even when they don't pick from the existing sides. So that's something that makes me not relate with OP as I'm getting the sense he doesn't do the above either. So, more info would be good.
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    @ENFPurpleKitti Putting pressure on me to conform would do nothing other than make me not want to conform. I've got my own idea of how the world should be and when I'm getting informed on politics I never care about who did what, I'm interested in the general themes, values and actions and consequences that took place which makes me refine what I see as ideal, and considering that what I deem as ideal is faaaaaar off from any political party I'm aware of, I just pick whatever ticks most of the boxes when it's time to vote. If we're talking about US politics - then I don't think it'd really matter which side you pick, they're pretty much the same in my book.

    You could think of my values as too ideal or unrealistic, but then again, would it be better to base my values on the current 'relevant' party legislations? I'd consider it a personal catastrophe, a death to all dreams.
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