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This is a discussion on ENFPs as business leaders within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I have an ENTJ dad who is a great businessman. Sharp, shrewd, organized, detail-oriented. I've been helping him on a ...

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    ENFPs as business leaders

    I have an ENTJ dad who is a great businessman. Sharp, shrewd, organized, detail-oriented. I've been helping him on a business deal over the last few weeks.

    So we had an argument recently. He says one of my (and ENFPs in general) best qualities is believing in the best in people, especially strangers. But when it comes to business, it's a bad quality to have. The argument was whether our potential business partner was going to try and screw us over.

    I really believed, "Why would he? We all stand to win by cooperating. By screwing us over, his 'win' would be much much smaller than if we all cooperated."

    Lo and behold, my dad's suspicions turned out to be right.

    Jeezus, it made be really doubt my ability to be a business executive/leader one day.

    It seems you really need to have that xNTJ function in order to make smart business decisions. My NF is fucking me so hard...looking back now, I still have no idea why I went to bat so hard for our this other guy. That was so dumb of me...
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    So here's what I understand about myself, I'm great at inspiring people about things I am inspired by. I'm great at understanding what's going on in any framework (an organization, both the people themselves and the organizational units) on a wholistic level, and given that I have deep knowledge on the subject, I'm good at having some good intuitions on how to steer something like an organization.

    Things I'm not so great at naturally:

    • Organizing logistics regularly on a detailed level.
    • Delegating.
    • Maintaining intense and consistent interest in a single subject for an extended period of time.
    • Being an authority figure. I'm OKAY with being looked up to. It's taken some work, but some of my issues are personal rather than MBTI related. But I'm not so great at accepting the responsibility of being in charge of punishing and rewarding and deciding on important life changing things for other people.
    • Communicating in clear and directive manner. My Ne comes through in most things I say, and that's filled with branches of choices and possibility, which people who are looking to take to action mostly find confusing.


    Some of this stuff is coming online as I get older, but it's still not my favorite. The CEO of my last company, a rather successfull company, was an ESFP, he managed by retaining the reigns of the company, but surrounding himself with people who he trusted and could pick up the slack on where he was deficient. It ended up being an org with well distributed power on the VC level.

    If you want to be a business exec, you need to find a way to make it work, and to believe in yourself. That position needs a LOT of fuel to get you through t.

    EDIT: I just realized you're talking about general business, that's different. You'll have a lot more leway in deciding how to apply what you're good at. Don't use your dad as a model, play to your strengths.
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    So we had an argument recently. He says one of my (and ENFPs in general) best qualities is believing in the best in people, especially strangers. But when it comes to business, it's a bad quality to have. The argument was whether our potential business partner was going to try and screw us over.
    Your dad knows MBTI?

    I would disagree with his assessment. But then again, I often disagree with ENTJs and find them pretentious and pretty annoying (no offense to your dad.)

    I'd saying seeing the best in people is a neutral quality to have. It can go very good or very bad.
    I'm a business major and an aspiring entrepreneur.

    ENFPs have this charisma where when we believe in people, it turns into a desire to motivate and inspire. This quality is infectious and in a good way where people want to gravitate towards you.
    When they gravitate towards you, they will listen to you and follow you.

    This is a fantastic quality to have and very useful in the business world. What, does he think in his stereotypical Te dom fashion that fear and control is the be all end all method LOL?

    ENFPs can also be naive and seeing the best in people can get us manipulated, duped and or attract bad people as well.

    There's two sides to it which is why I consider it neutral quality.

    I really believed, "Why would he? We all stand to win by cooperating. By screwing us over, his 'win' would be much much smaller than if we all cooperated."

    Lo and behold, my dad's suspicions turned out to be right.

    Jeezus, it made be really doubt my ability to be a business executive/leader one day.
    Shit happens. Still doesn't mean you gotta lose the quality of seeing the best in people.

    Just develop your inferior Si and surrounding awareness.
    Learn to read people better.

    Everyone's got to improve in some way and this is just another lesson for you.

    It seems you really need to have that xNTJ function in order to make smart business decisions. My NF is fucking me so hard...looking back now, I still have no idea why I went to bat so hard for our this other guy. That was so dumb of me...
    Again, stop beating yourself up over this.

    Gonna sound cliche, but everyone fucks up. Everyone. It's simply reality.

    You don't need to be an NT to make smart business decisions lol. Saying this only reinforces the obnoxious NT worshipping on the internet.

    ESFPs are some of the best leaders I know. ENFJs are known to be leaders so being an NF doesn't have anything to do with fucking up.

    You're just human. It ain't type related.

    Develop your Te. Learn from your past experiences to make wiser decisions. Keep being your inspiration and wonderful ENFP self and you're good to go.
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    Your dad is using MBTI to decide if you are going to inherit the buisiness? Wow.

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    ENFPs can be too trusting or we can learn to be very bulls-eye about people. You do have to learn to look for negative and positive, and kind of mindfully keep your judgements to yourself. Iíd say in general we can be better at or equal to any type.

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    The thought preferences of NTJs seem better for business than ENFPs, but that just means you can ask him for help whenever you need it!

    :D

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    I would say that the biggest factor here is experience, not personality type. While your dad may have made a rash, blanket judgment, or even may go the other extreme and not trust anyone, more likely, there were tics and tells that gave the person away that you weren't able to pick up on. Simple as that. Experience.

    As for wondering, Why would he?, this is a good lesson. While people can be wonderful, people also can be shockingly terrible. I got exasperated once with someone on my team at work who couldn't believe how someone could write/pass a bad check. We went around and around in circles and I finally gave up and said, "Look, people kill people!"

    One last thing, I feel so innately intuitive, I can get very upset (and offended!) with myself when the NTs around me call a situation way more more accurately. This is humbling, but also an important lesson. I'm generally pretty spot on in my assessments of situations and people, but sometimes, I'm just completely off. I learned this early on with my husband. There were a few bizarre situations where he called it 100% accurately, and my naivete and belief that people wouldn't do X completely clouded my ability to assess what was actually going on.

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    ENFPs as business leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofRC View Post
    I have an ENTJ dad who is a great businessman. Sharp, shrewd, organized, detail-oriented. I've been helping him on a business deal over the last few weeks.

    So we had an argument recently. He says one of my (and ENFPs in general) best qualities is believing in the best in people, especially strangers. But when it comes to business, it's a bad quality to have. The argument was whether our potential business partner was going to try and screw us over.

    I really believed, "Why would he? We all stand to win by cooperating. By screwing us over, his 'win' would be much much smaller than if we all cooperated."

    Lo and behold, my dad's suspicions turned out to be right.

    Jeezus, it made be really doubt my ability to be a business executive/leader one day.

    It seems you really need to have that xNTJ function in order to make smart business decisions. My NF is fucking me so hard...looking back now, I still have no idea why I went to bat so hard for our this other guy. That was so dumb of me...
    Hmm I run a play-base inspired familyís child practice/preschool . Course I created the philosophy- it was my idea and Iím not working under anyone or anything

    Yeah I do believe the best in others more so if theyíre young children , no Iím not going to screw myself over bc my job is something that Iím passionate about and I value my kids too much to fail otherwise


    Yeah - paperwork - licensing- administration work can be quite tedious and annoying - it would be a lie if I were to say I enjoy dealing with it

    And the worry of not having enough clients /students will always be on my mind as each year passes by . However with all that said- my school is running by swiftly and the family and children are great
    I must admit - thereís no way I could run business the way your father does - however Iím working my dream job and itís something that I hold lots of values in

    On a side note

    my istj uncle is the CEO of trans consultant - he had have 24 commercial buildings - invested in over 2 apartments and 10 houses in San Diego - his estj wife have 3 medical clinic .
    Sure his entj son is also a great businessman, but heís no where near his father so I have no ideas why one needs to be an xntj in order to dominate






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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofRC View Post
    I have an ENTJ dad who is a great businessman. Sharp, shrewd, organized, detail-oriented. I've been helping him on a business deal over the last few weeks.

    So we had an argument recently. He says one of my (and ENFPs in general) best qualities is believing in the best in people, especially strangers. But when it comes to business, it's a bad quality to have. The argument was whether our potential business partner was going to try and screw us over.

    I really believed, "Why would he? We all stand to win by cooperating. By screwing us over, his 'win' would be much much smaller than if we all cooperated."

    Lo and behold, my dad's suspicions turned out to be right.

    Jeezus, it made be really doubt my ability to be a business executive/leader one day.

    It seems you really need to have that xNTJ function in order to make smart business decisions. My NF is fucking me so hard...looking back now, I still have no idea why I went to bat so hard for our this other guy. That was so dumb of me...
    I don't think it's a bad quality to have, because if you believe in your employees you can help them thrive. In turn, your business thrives. Win win. Happy employees = happy business. That's a fact. Unhappy employees just leave, and the number 1 reason for employees quitting jobs is actually bad bosses.

    So, with that trait, if it's used constructively, towards a direction of growth (rather than used to make excuses for people or let them off with poor work-ethic), then it's a positive.

    Also, just because you were wrong this time, doesn't mean you always would be. However, you should view it as a lesson to learn from, rather than a defeatist conclusion about your own abilities. Of course, there are always times to face reality for what it is. That's the lesson here. Sometimes giving the benefit of the doubt isn't worth it. Trust yo gut.


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