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This is a discussion on I want to study the vocal patterns of ENFPs? within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I want to study the vocal patterns of every type actually. But I would like you to read a passage ...

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    INTJ

    I want to study the vocal patterns of ENFPs?

    I want to study the vocal patterns of every type actually. But I would like you to read a passage I send your way and/ or record your voice talking randomly on any topic of your choice and send me that recording.

    I am compiling a database of different types vocal patterns and want to find if there is any truth to our voices revealing our functions/types.

    If so, what is it that aligns.

    Thanks! Please PM me or respond to this thread if interested in helping.

    Volunteer your voice to my informal research and I will mail you a cookie, daily for 7 days (;

    *crosses fingers behind back
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    I think youíd find nothing. Iím saying this because I have voice (singing) training. A lot has to do with how you heard vowels growing up, etc. But itís always interesting to test a theory out. I can probably help later.

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    I mean.... check this out. What exactly would you be looking at, you know? Okay... just my 2 cents...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lZSCGZphjq0

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    INTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    I think you’d find nothing. I’m saying this because I have voice (singing) training. A lot has to do with how you heard vowels growing up, etc. But it’s always interesting to test a theory out. I can probably help later.
    That's fine. I appreciate it. I do think language in itself could be a factor of how we sound. I also speak more than one language and it feels as though I am a different person speaking both, so I could see what you mean partly. I do think however accents/"how you say vowels" or even tonalities you learn associated with proper vocalizations of the language and overall vocal pattern are quite distinct things. Or at least that's what I assume and would be looking for, if that makes sense.

    I'm looking at an overall flow of speech, not a "way ppl say their letters" if you get what I mean. Anyway, do let know how I can contact you for this. Thx!


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    EDIT Oh, I've seen that video. I know what you're saying, but it's really not that that I'm looking for. Also, the acting is mimicry not spontaneous speech of that person. So the way they talk is attached to individuals. Not everyone from the same place is going to talk in the same way.
    Last edited by Eysan; 09-12-2019 at 08:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eysan View Post
    That's fine. I appreciate it. I do think language in itself could be a factor of how we sound. I also speak more than one language and it feels as though I am a different person speaking both, so I could see what you mean partly. I do think however accents/"how you say vowels" or even tonalities you learn associated with proper vocalizations of the language and overall vocal pattern are quite distinct things. Or at least that's what I assume and would be looking for, if that makes sense.

    I'm looking at an overall flow of speech, not a "way ppl say their letters" if you get what I mean. Anyway, do let know how I can contact you for this. Thx!


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    EDIT Oh, I've seen that video. I know what you're saying, but it's really not that that I'm looking for. Also, the acting is mimicry not spontaneous speech of that person. So the way they talk is attached to individuals. Not everyone from the same place is going to talk in the same way.
    Ne doms generally interject thoughts into their own thoughts. Because we are exploring other possibilities while we started to say the one possibility... so you will see parentheses in our way of talking and tangents. Sentence structure is where you would see thisó- all that can be looked at. But how smooth voices are or things like tható- or whether a type are all tenors or sopranos (see the interjection?) are like saying you could tell I was an ENFP from my shoe size, in my opinion.

    But what do you think youíll look at? What ideas are already out there? And yeah, I am someone different in the 2 languages that I speak too. I like talking about that.
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    INTJ

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...68388404600651

    Going off this a bit? It's tone that is not related with accents or soprano or whatever you just said. I've seen it generally played out in ppl but wanted to further see. Part of wanting to study it is to find out what's there.

    And your opinion is okay? I have a different one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eysan View Post
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...68388404600651

    Going off this a bit? It's tone that is not related with accents or soprano or whatever you just said. I've seen it generally played out in ppl but wanted to further see. Part of wanting to study it is to find out what's there.

    And your opinion is okay? I have a different one.
    Hmm. You are just hearing an Ne brainstorm on your question. These are just my questions and thoughts and some facts as far as I understand the things Iím saying. There are people who know far far more than I do who study voice tone and have special ear training. I mean youíre testing this, right? Do you already have a conclusive opinion? I wouldnít yet be at a conclusion myself because I donít know what the testing criteria is (it is what I was asking) or your testing methods or the results. Iím not saying donít explore it or that there is already an answer. But why not explore to the max? Iíd want all the questions and knowledge anyone has whenever I study anything, so it was not my intent to squash the idea. If I wasnít interested in exploring I wouldnít be asking questions trying to map out the landscape of your question as far as I currently see correlations.

    As far as I have been taught, even with speaking, voice tone has to do with vowel shaping and also how much diaphragm is used. There is so much to know about voice. I would think it would be way beyond most peopleís ear training to assess. My voice teacher has years of ear training and she talks about shaping vowels for changing speech tone. Is there a natural and fairly consistent amount of diaphragm that some types use in every day modulation? Is loud and soft being assessed and have a correlation? I would think so. I think loud and soft could easily be assessed with extroverts and introverts, sure.

    The neuroscience on MBTI thatís out there (only Dario Nardi has done any research) on listening is kind of compelling to me and would deal with this somewhat. Fi is extremely good at listening to and assessing voice toneó but anyone would still need criteria if this study was taken to a professional level. And then INTPs, for instance, have the least development in areas of assessing voice tone in the brain according to his research. It makes sense to me that the interpretation of the voice has to do with the brain which has to do with MBTI, but certain differences in the physical vocal chords and in spaces of resonance intuitively would have less to do with MBTI from what I would think and more to do with the physical body and there might be some correlations there. And listening IS correlated with speech.

    I will watch the video and see if I think any of their criteria would have any correlation, or if it seems more like height, hair color, region of childhood, etc. that I donít at this time correlate with MBTI... although there might be some regional difference in F or T and region... and who knows?
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    Okay I read it. Thatís not what a singer thinks of when we think of voice tone.

    I do think what they wrote was way too general. Two ESTJ women who I know have very excitable voices. To type someone, excitability and enthusiasm and that somewhat goes into it. But the sentence structure and the content is a lot more reliable way to type, imo.

    For instance, there is a lot of Fi voice inflection in my ESFP cousin so how do you use both of their ideas there together?

    Eh, whatever. Itís something to test. No you do t need my thoughts if you donít want them.
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  10. #9
    ENFP

    I wouldn't mind to read this study when it's finished but like @Llyralen suggested this might have a couple of holes. When I think of linguistics I can think of location and environment would have a higher chance of influencing an individual's phonetics of their voice than their preferences in a phycological test. Also, you would have to wonder about genetics too because it's a sound that is produced in a person's larynx to shape one's voice. It's not the only requirement but it's one of them. I also have a different voice on a phone than I do with a stranger and it's also differently expressed around someone I know every day. That's a lot of variables to find a stable control group for your findings.

    There is in an area in the Carolinas here in the States that speak so fast you can hardly hear the pauses. This is how they speak. It doesn't matter if they're shy or not, the tempo is very fast and slurred.

    As in Texas, where I'm from, we draw our sounds out. My mother does it and I do it. She's an ISTJ and I'm an ENFP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Llyralen View Post
    Hmm. You are just hearing an Ne brainstorm on your question. These are just my questions and thoughts and some facts as far as I understand the things I’m saying. There are people who know far far more than I do who study voice tone and have special ear training. I mean you’re testing this, right? Do you already have a conclusive opinion? I wouldn’t yet be at a conclusion myself because I don’t know what the testing criteria is (it is what I was asking) or your testing methods or the results. I’m not saying don’t explore it or that there is already an answer. But why not explore to the max? I’d want all the questions and knowledge anyone has whenever I study anything, so it was not my intent to squash the idea. If I wasn’t interested in exploring I wouldn’t be asking questions trying to map out the landscape of your question as far as I currently see correlations.

    As far as I have been taught, even with speaking, voice tone has to do with vowel shaping and also how much diaphragm is used. There is so much to know about voice. I would think it would be way beyond most people’s ear training to assess. My voice teacher has years of ear training and she talks about shaping vowels for changing speech tone. Is there a natural and fairly consistent amount of diaphragm that some types use in every day modulation? Is loud and soft being assessed and have a correlation? I would think so. I think loud and soft could easily be assessed with extroverts and introverts, sure.

    The neuroscience on MBTI that’s out there (only Dario Nardi has done any research) on listening is kind of compelling to me and would deal with this somewhat. Fi is extremely good at listening to and assessing voice tone— but anyone would still need criteria if this study was taken to a professional level. And then INTPs, for instance, have the least development in areas of assessing voice tone in the brain according to his research. It makes sense to me that the interpretation of the voice has to do with the brain which has to do with MBTI, but certain differences in the physical vocal chords and in spaces of resonance intuitively would have less to do with MBTI from what I would think and more to do with the physical body and there might be some correlations there. And listening IS correlated with speech.

    I will watch the video and see if I think any of their criteria would have any correlation, or if it seems more like height, hair color, region of childhood, etc. that I don’t at this time correlate with MBTI... although there might be some regional difference in F or T and region... and who knows?
    Yeah, linguistics is not my specialty but you pretty much brought up everything I would have explored. This is our Ne in high gear. This is why it's good to have us on the team. We can present different options than the other person might not have seen. I love studying other people's papers released. If I could stay all day in different professor's classes soaking up knowledge and being able to chime in when an idea hits without having my hand slapped would be a lot of fun in my eyes.

    This topic has already perked my interest in it.

    I'm now looking up Dario Nardi, I'm off.... ride like the wind bullseye
    Last edited by NIHM; 09-12-2019 at 03:31 PM.
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    Ahh thanks @NIHM . I needed some understanding of the value of what I was writing this morning. Iíve got a lot of stuff of Dario Nardiís on the NF forum... the beginning stuff and the most recent stuff is the most helpful to understand the whole thing. Also, his interview with @Respect was really amazing, one of the best things Iíve heard from Nardi actually and he gave Respect a lot of insight on ENFPs. I think youíd love it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3jbQb03H0s

    This is very recent:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3XxlV0Y5Te4
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