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This is a discussion on INTJs make me feel dumb :( within the ENFP Forum - The Inspirers forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by FreeBeer In my personal experience it is very easy to switch into Te-Si mode and to debate. ...

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBeer View Post
    In my personal experience it is very easy to switch into Te-Si mode and to debate. The odd thing about it is that I lose my fun side in order to adopt a rather monotone way of verbalizing. Its fun thou.....but sometimes I get this vague sense that I'm intimidating people who seem physically uncomfortable and don't know how to respond. This is especially true if the topic is within my area of expertise.
    Also true, but unfortunately, in my case, all the INTJs I have ever debated with were well-versed in topics that I was much less informed about. (i.e., latest technologies and stuff)

    I think I have an easier time arguing with ISTJs and winning, than I do with INTJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violator Rose View Post
    Also true, but unfortunately, in my case, all the INTJs I have ever debated with were well-versed in topics that I was much less informed about. (i.e., latest technologies and stuff)

    I think I have an easier time arguing with ISTJs and winning, than I do with INTJs.
    Hmm, well yeah, it looks like interests play a part in this. Most of my interests are technical...even in photography I'm more interested in the gear and physics involved ._. less in the pictures themselves.

    This would explain certain things. Good catch!

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBeer View Post
    o.o not really true, I have argued with ENTJs before to a point where my reasoning had no logical inconsistencies the Te dom could use to argue back :\. [/U][/B]
    I don't know that what you had to say actually came into conflict at all with what I said. Quite the contrary, it was my point to address how inane I was made to feel for what I believed in before I was approached and forced to back it up - not that I was wrong, but rather, that the immature/assholes/(basically any type?) like to pick fights. And among types that enjoy picking fights, I am hard pressed not say say I haven't seen just about all NT's thrive in that pool. It was also meant to address that it's harder to pick fights when you drop values and simply exhibit raw signs of perception, hence the focusing on Ne bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilyanith View Post
    I don't know that what you had to say actually came into conflict at all with what I said. Quite the contrary, it was my point to address how inane I was made to feel for what I believed in before I was approached and forced to back it up - not that I was wrong, but rather, that the immature/assholes/(basically any type?) like to pick fights. And among types that enjoy picking fights, I am hard pressed not say say I haven't seen just about all NT's thrive in that pool. It was also meant to address that it's harder to pick fights when you drop values and simply exhibit raw signs of perception, hence the focusing on Ne bit.
    I disagreed with you based on personal experience and not relating. I like a good debate or "arguing", I do a lot of devil's advocating myself as long as it doesn't degenerate into actually attacking the other person with assertions that are not meant to argue the point, but to diminish the opponent.

    o.o NTs in my experience like a good debate, thou I wouldn't call if a fight exactly unless the NT is a asshole. Its Te that sort of "demands" backing up assertions with objective logic.

    I also didn't understand what you meant by Fi...... ._. eh I really didn't lol.

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    There is this old man who comes into my work who I am convinced is an INTJ... a real ass too. All of the girls flee when he comes in. He's one of those 'knows too much for his own good so he insists on belittling everyone' sorts. He basically made everyone feel dumb. Then I realised I could he a total bratty smarty pants right back at him and he LOVED it! It was so bizzare. He would go on his tangents and then I would pull him up for being an ass and he'd just stop and laugh. I was basically being rude and answering back to this guy (with a cheeky smile) and he thought it was hilarious.
    Anyways I later found out he's one of the most prominent and wealthiest retirees in our area so he gets people sucking up to him all the time. I guess he liked the change in attitude.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I can make most people feel stupid (or maybe its just my Ne, that makes them dizzy in the amount of information and thoughts that I spit out), but when I come across someone who makes me feel that way, it feels as if my deception has been discovered. But I usually admit my ignorance and ask those people to enlighten me.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Don't feel dumb! Sometimes I felt really inferior around ESTJ types (though rarely intp/intj types, for some reason) but I'd have to say... just remember, it is a different type of thinking! Imagine all the social knowledge you have that the INTJs lack (most of the time.) The interpersonal knowledge that you possess that an INTJ could never dream of! If the world were only filled with the same type of knowledge, there would be no human progression, right? We need all sixteen MBTI types in order for our world to work! ENFPs have many strong suits, and INTJs do as well, but they are different. Don't let an INTJ make you feel inferior-- you should know that they are inferior to you in some ways as well.

    You should also know that not all INTJs are as smart or as standoffish as you might think. I have known a couple and they are very nice. As an NF, you should know that there's feeling in everyone, it is just sometimes hidden beneath the overactive thinking.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Well INTPs make me feel dumb (ok fine just one INTP in particular)
    Oh I see you have internships at 2 of the best possible companies. What do I have, you ask? No job

    I don't know if an INTJ has ever made me feel dumb. I mean, if we're talking about something that I don't know much about, it's more like 'ok I'm going to try and dissect your idea so that I can try to understand it'. You know what you know and it's alright to not know something. Unless of course you know nothing, then that would make you Socrates reincarnated.
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    ... oh don't. Spend a few evenings reading a logic textbook. I have an older edition of Introduction to Logic by Irving Copi where he spends the first chapters discussing how to pick out an argument from language, common fallacies and continues later with symbolic logic, set theory, etc. etc. We might gravitate to reading something in the humanities or literature or something that is a hedonistic pleasure but the understanding of core science, logic and mathematics can be interesting once you understand it as an expression of human thought. And we can always get them talking about verse, music, humanities, that sort of thing.

    INTJs are guilty of relying too much on linear, either/or style of reasoning. Regardless of how tight their logic is, their argument often falls short of being quite narrow unless they've specifically taken the time to collect all necessary informations. Ours can be too vague and we're guilty of not having a thesis, exaggeration and taking to many associative leaps unless we've taken the time to think things through. I destroyed many perfect arguments by being able to see that third, highly plausible variable.

    ... but yeah, they can be sarcastic. I can always return the favor
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    God I hope I don't have this effect on people.
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