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    1. How do you feel God in your life? How do you know he's there for you?

    James 4:8 tells us to draw close to God and he’ll draw close to us. Which for me personally, is very true.

    Philippians 4:6 tells us: “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let your petitions be made known to God;  and the peace of God that excels all thought will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.”

    Matthew 6:25-34 says: Stop being anxious about you souls as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not the soul mean more than food and the body than clothing?  Observe intently the birds of heaven, because they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses; still you heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are? Who of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span?  Also, on the matter of clothing, why are you anxious? Take a lesson from the lilies of the field, how they are growing; they do not toil, nor do they spin; but I say to you that not even Sol'o·mon in all his glory was arrayed as one of these. If, now, God thus clothes the vegetation of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much rather clothe you, you with little faith? So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to put on?’ For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. For you heavenly Father knows you need all these things. “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to you.  So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Sufficient for each day is its own badness.


    These tell me that so long as I put him first in my life, all these things will be added to me and I’ve personally felt that several times. I’ve even been on the verge of being homeless, no food, no money nothing but reliance and even if it has been something as small as someone inviting me over for a meal or to crash at their place for a bit, I’ve always felt as though these words have proved true for me.

    Even in this day and age with the world economy is going down the toilet, we can all take comfort in these scriptures and come to an understanding that we don‘t need lots of stuff and possessions, a big house and all that comes with it to make us truly happy.


    2. Why is your faith important to you?
    My faith is my everything. What’s the point of living otherwise?

    3. How does your ENFP-ness jive with your faith
    Its great! I love being able to see the bigger picture so clearly in my mind that it almost drowns out all the other crap this world likes to dish out. I’m not worried about world events like most people are. I’m not worried about the future, because I already know what’s in store for us.


    Fave verses:

    James 2:19- “You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.”

    Psalms 83: 18- “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the most high over all the earth.”

    2 Peter 3: 13- “But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.”

    To name a few…
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbite View Post
    Not all us atheists are bad. :P Its a bit like religious nut jobs and hardcore bible bashers. They're the loudest members of their group, so people judge the group based on the actions of the few in it. I would have no compunction dating a religious person, provided they didn't force it on me or any offspring. In fact, a large number of atheists are spiritual, we just choose not to believe in a particular god.
    Yeah, your first statement highlights a frustration of mine. When "Christians" protest funerals of people who died in Iraq it's hard to prove that all Christians aren't like that. I really think Jesus taught about the opposite of that and they are more akin to the Pharisees, but yeah the groups that get all the press are crazy, abortion clinic bombers, Koran burnings, protesting funerals etc... Plus that there is a party that is using faith to get the votes of conservative Christians and they are falling for it.

    I get along with atheists as long as they don't demean me and what I believe and it's not like atheists can't be good pleasant people.

  3. #23
    ENFP - The Inspirers


    Quote Originally Posted by LXPilot View Post
    I'm a hippy Catholic, can I join the party? :)
    *passes you cookie* Sure! Hippy Catholic, haha... reminds me of guy at one of the retreats I attended (full of perfectly normal college students - seriously, lol) who wore a skirt the whole time and didn't shower for the 3 days. He was the coolest dude ever, though. Totally a free spirit who didn't give a damn about gender stereotypes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Agelaius View Post
    It is that final step toward really becoming something more than yourself. It breaks out of what's in front of us and what we perceive as life itself, when in reality, faith can give us strength when none is found and logic itself cannot bring you to where you ought to be. It is one of the most powerful gifts we have and to not intelligently exercise it is to ignore such a brilliant gift.

    2. How does your ENFP-ness jive with your faith (i.e. it gives you feelings of strength, it conflicts with it, does it feel weird talking to a deity who doesn't immediately talk back, etc.)?

    I get excited talking about my faith and my beliefs. Many I know disagree with me, but that's okay. God speaks to others in different ways, and I won't try to make them speak to Him in different ways. If He doesn't respond, there's a reason for it. If He does, there's a reason. As an ENFP, I could talk for hours without signs of stopping all about my beliefs and my morals, for they're exceedingly important to me. Being around those that are intolerant of them can be demoralizing and tiring, but it certainly doesn't stop me. It's hard to shake what cannot be shook by mortals alone.
    Love what you said, especially that last part. God does talk in so many different ways to people. Reminds me of Christian radio stations and how there's everything from screaming rock to twangy country to catchy pop rock created in praise of the Lord and all His glory. And what you said about him not answering for good reasons is so hard to keep in mind at times, yet so important.

    Quote Originally Posted by cal47 View Post
    That pretty much sums it up for me. I see and experience God through love. In all the individual examples of times I've felt closest to God, that is what it comes down to.

    2. Why is your faith important to you?
    Well because it has to be, really. I'll quote C.S. Lewis. "Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important."
    ...
    "does it feel weird talking to a deity who doesn't immediately talk back?" Yes it really does, actually. I wish it didn't and it's something I've wanted to work on. It's a matter of humility towards God that I truly wish I didn't lack.
    Humility towards God. Hm, that's a beautiful way of putting it. I suppose it does require you to just accept that you'll never know His ways, so you gotta keep praying, knowing that his answers will come to you on His time, not yours.

    There's a sign in my town, in the yard of an old house, that says "God Is Love." It's must have been burning for the past 40 years at least. :) Have you read "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis? I hope to delve more deeply into his writings.

    Quote Originally Posted by LXPilot View Post
    2. How does your ENFP-ness jive with your faith
    I'm not ENFP :) But to this INTJ, I would say that faith is simultaneously a means of internal exploration, individualization and collectivism through philosophy, and implementation of good will. I don't believe in a religious "system" as I would a rhetorical or quantitative one - instead, I see faith as one's own means of performing the good. This is why Roman Catholicism bothers me. How can one small group of people, no less human than you and I, slap concretized "rules" such as some of those in the Catechism, over the world ethos?
    Your explanation of faith shows how multifaceted and intellectual one can be in pursuit of it. Thanks for your perspective. Lots to ponder. I can see how Roman Catholicism could be seen as one dimensional overreaching system of ethics created by men, for men, not taking into account the individual circumstances of followers, in addition to the moral relativism that permeates societies around the globe in various degrees. I'll have to disagree with you concerning the role of the Vatican and the ministry conferred by the sacrament of Holy Orders in shaping the moral code of its members. I trust biblical scholars who've been blessed with extra grace (sacramental grace) more than I trust myself to know what's nourishing to my soul at this point in my spiritual development. Being such an indecisive somewhat wishy washy people-pleasing individual, I can easily get myself into trouble without some firm guidelines. It's a starting point, at the very least, for assessing the best course of action. I'm certainly not a perfect Catholic though... far from it! And a lot of the rules seem to be rather outdated.

    Quote Originally Posted by rwt81 View Post
    Ephesians 6:12
    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
    If the principalities and powers aren't made up of people, what sort of entity are they? 'Scuse the brain fuzziness. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Zster View Post
    1. How do you feel God in your life? How do you know he's there for you?

    Because something or someone got me off alcohol when no force of my own or any other human being could. Similarly, I actually survived watching my husband die, leaving me to raise our kids alone. It's possible that the kids provided me with the reason to keep living, but something greater saw it done when I did not think I could possibly go on. Also, I am a multi-degreed scientist. The more science that I learn, the less I can accept that "all of this" is just some random occurrence, determined by lowest free energy or such.
    Wow, what an amazing journey you've been on. What you said about science and faith in inspiring. Is your sentiment fairly uncommon in your field, or do you have a lot of colleagues who share it?
    ---

    Alas, I'm not a type 2 any longer (*winks at Anarchy*)! Took a longer Enneagram and am a type 9. What Enneagram types are you religious enfps (and intp and intjs infjs? Am just curious. :)
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  5. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound View Post
    There's a sign in my town, in the yard of an old house, that says "God Is Love." It's must have been burning for the past 40 years at least. :) Have you read "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis? I hope to delve more deeply into his writings.
    Yup, I'v read Mere Christianity (one of my favorites) and Screwtape Letters. I think I got about 3 chapters into "Miracles" before I got distracted. I need to start reading that again. I have the Complete C.S. Lewis Signature Classics which is a collection of about 7 of his books. I was also a big fan of the Chronicles of Narnia when I was a kid.

  6. #25
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound View Post
    My questions for you guys-
    1. How do you feel God in your life? How do you know he's there for you?
    I know he exists because I observe creation. His personality is shown throughout creation. (Romans 1:20) "For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;"

    I know he is there for me because He says so. (Isaiah 41:10) Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not gaze about, for I am your God. I will fortify you. I will really help you. I will really keep fast hold of you with my right hand of righteousness.’


    2. Why is your faith important to you?
    It's important to me because:
    1. He is deserving of our worship. (Revelation 4:11) "You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

    2. He loves us and has provided a ransom for us so that we may live forever as he originally purposed. (John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."

    3.I want to prove Satan a liar, just as the righteous man, Job. (Proverbs 27:11) *"Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me."

    4. He desires to have a close, personal relationship with us. (James 4:8) "Draw close to God, and He will draw close to you"



    2. How does your ENFP-ness jive with your faith (i.e. it gives you feelings of strength, it conflicts with it, does it feel weird talking to a deity who doesn't immediately talk back, etc.)?
    I feel stronger because being an ENFP jives with Gods original purpose (as with other personalities). The mere fact that the Greatest, most powerful, most loving, wisest person in the universe wants to have a relationship with ME. We ENFPs thrive on relationships, so who better to have a relationship with God himself?! His cardinal qualities are love, justice, wisdom & power. We humans were made in his likeness being that we possess the same qualities. He is loving, merciful, gracious, kind, long-suffering, good, peaceful, funny, witty, considerate, regal and delightful. Now who wouldn't want to be around a person like that!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound
    *passes you cookie*
    Thank you.

    I'll have to disagree with you concerning the role of the Vatican and the ministry conferred by the sacrament of Holy Orders in shaping the moral code of its members. I trust biblical scholars who've been blessed with extra grace (sacramental grace) more than I trust myself to know what's nourishing to my soul at this point in my spiritual development.
    That's perfectly respectable. The "crux" of my point is, effectively, "to each his or her own" in the sense that rules are helpful to some and not to others - for various reasons, in my case because I find it easy to trace significant irresponsibility in some parts of Catholic doctrine. But this is in dialogue with my own perspectives, which are likely different than yours and therefore entail different conclusions to a questioning of faith. Still, I believe such differences in perspective should match an acceptance of, or at least openness to perspective gradients on the global scale in the context of church "rules" (which it falls short of).

    Ultimately, I do understand that strict rulings can be helpful to others, but I believe the church should recognize alternative, or perhaps individualized interpretations of such rulings with at least some level of broad tolerance - the word "Catholic" does, after all, mean "universal." And from what I hear every Sunday and read in literature such as (parts of) the Catechism, this is not the case. As you mention, there are issues of datedness - I would add traditionalism for its own sake, among others.
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  8. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound View Post
    1. How do you feel God in your life? How do you know he's there for you?
    I look inward to find God. God is my assurance that everything is meaningful. I don't need promises of an afterlife or of cosmic justice, but I can't accept a meaningless existence when I feel everything that happens as powerfully as I do. A meaningless world that breaks my heart as much as this one does is the cruelest kind of universe imaginable.

    I know God (It, not He or She) is there for me because 1) I am a part of God, as we all are, and 2) we live in the kind of universe in which God can exist (I reject deterministic materialism), and in any universe where God can exist, God will exist.

    2. Why is your faith important to you?
    It connects me to a larger picture, one that I can't fully see or comprehend, but nonetheless pick up tantalizing hints of here and there. However, my primary article of "religious" faith is not in the existence of God, but in the existence of a non-deterministic, non-materialist aspect of existence which escapes pure reductionism.

    2. How does your ENFP-ness jive with your faith (i.e. it gives you feelings of strength, it conflicts with it, does it feel weird talking to a deity who doesn't immediately talk back, etc.)?
    I'm not sure it plays into it. I was an atheist for about half my life, and my belief in God came through a tremendous amount of introspection about something that at the time seemed pretty unrelated. It followed from my conclusions about the nature of the universe, and it's actually secondary to those conclusions. I guess my firm belief in God does come from a kind of Fi, although maybe it's more Ni, I don't really know, it's a kind of gnosis. I believe in God a lot more than I believe in MBTI so I don't worry about it too much.

    I'm not a Christian and generally don't believe in revealed religion, but I will share two of my favorite Bible quotes (from the NIV):

    James 4:14 - Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.

    Hebrews 1:11 - Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
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  9. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound View Post
    Wow, what an amazing journey you've been on. What you said about science and faith in inspiring. Is your sentiment fairly uncommon in your field, or do you have a lot of colleagues who share it?
    Tell me about it! The only certainty there is in this life is that NOTHING is certain, lol. Being and ENFP makes me a great passenger on life's wild ride though. (:

    I am not very unusual in my science strengthening my spiritual leanings. I would guess that there could be as many for whom science does this as there are others for whom it drives a wedge into their spritiual leanings, weakening it. It is funny that you would ask because I stopped inserting fave quotes, almost adding this one:

    "A little science estranges men from God; much science leads them back to Him." (Louis Pasteur)
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  10. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by The King Of Dreams View Post
    The mere fact that the Greatest, most powerful, most loving, wisest person in the universe wants to have a relationship with ME. We ENFPs thrive on relationships, so who better to have a relationship with God himself?! His cardinal qualities are love, justice, wisdom & power. We humans were made in his likeness being that we possess the same qualities. He is loving, merciful, gracious, kind, long-suffering, good, peaceful, funny, witty, considerate, regal and delightful. Now who wouldn't want to be around a person like that!?
    That's a great way of putting it. He's the only "being" who can be everything that we could ever need, having all those qualities you mentioned. And on top of that, he freely giving us eternal life and salvation! How mind-blowing is that? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by My Sweet Stalin View Post
    God is my assurance that everything is meaningful. I don't need promises of an afterlife or of cosmic justice, but I can't accept a meaningless existence when I feel everything that happens as powerfully as I do. A meaningless world that breaks my heart as much as this one does is the cruelest kind of universe imaginable.

    Hebrews 1:11 - Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
    That's an interesting way of thinking about it. It's cool to see how you came to believe after being an atheist. I feel like being raised Christian is almost cheating, as silly as that sounds, after reading stories like yours. You had to come to the conclusion that God exists on your own, you know? Not that my or anyone's faith is less authentic, but wow, it's cool to follow your reasoning and hear how your thought process evolved like that.

    Yup, I'v read Mere Christianity (one of my favorites) and Screwtape Letters. I think I got about 3 chapters into "Miracles" before I got distracted. I need to start reading that again.
    Me too, Cal47! Summer book club? Anyone? :D I've been reminded by multiple people how amazing C.S. Lewis is, lately.

    ------
    Question: How do you guys stay humble? Anything you've read lately, any prayers? Looking for faith-based inspiration. Things are going pretty well in my life right now, and it can be disorienting in the sense that it's so easy to focus on yourself too much instead of thanking God for your blessings and glorifying Him. That mentality tends to creep in when I feel like I'm cruising.

    This C.S. Lewis quote (ahh, the signs are everywhere!) just reminded me of the importance of sharing our gifts:
    "Nothing that you have not given away will ever be really yours. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlywound View Post
    That's an interesting way of thinking about it. It's cool to see how you came to believe after being an atheist. I feel like being raised Christian is almost cheating, as silly as that sounds, after reading stories like yours. You had to come to the conclusion that God exists on your own, you know? Not that my or anyone's faith is less authentic, but wow, it's cool to follow your reasoning and hear how your thought process evolved like that.
    Thanks. And though I'm not a Christian myself, I generally like Christianity in its more accepting, thoughtful forms. I particularly enjoy the words of Meister Eckhart.
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