Who said anything about alienating people who aren't into wordplay? :tongue: I do love to play around with the nuances of language.
"NTs as a group tend to enjoy playing with words, finding pleasure in exploring verbal intricacies. Convoluted phrases and paradoxical statements fascinate them."
Well, yes, but I try not to alienate myself from people who aren't so into convolution.
I that read line more in the sense that they're optimistic like we are, but you're right, that's not exactly it. It's more like a logical way of approaching what's immediately in front of you because it's practical to do so and you can't change the past. I agree with you that possibilities that the future holds are what I focus on, rather than the future as a coherent picture.
"NTs tend to focus on the future, regarding the past as something dead and gone. What matters most is what might be and what might happen next."
Not the future, but possible futures, sure.
Same here. I don't think INTJs do either, though.
"The INTJs rather than using deductive logic, use their intuition to grasp coherence."
Yeah, but know that I don't stop at the first signs of coherence.
You can't be single minded? Okay, perhaps my "hyperfocusing" has nothing to do with type. I just spent all day trying to get the perfect shot of some fruit. :tongue: My friends always marvel at how I get so into things and learn everything about them, committing 150% of my focus and effort to one pursuit at a time (while juggling other projects which receive considerably less attention) until I've learned everything there is to know about it or have mastered whatever skill it involves. I can bum around the house and sacrifice personal contact and changing my clothes if I'm on a knowledge binge. From Hilary Duff to holocaust literature to a specific scientific research topic to cosmetics... been there, done that, bored with it and have sinced moved on to something else to conquer. :P Perhaps that's not how INTJs view their areas of interest, but I got that impression from what was stated. I can certainly maintain a high level of interest in dynamic subjects that continue to evolve (newness, yay!) and are relevant to my world view.
"INTJs can be very single-minded at times; this can be either a weakness or a strength in their careers, for they can be either a weakness or a strength in their careers, for they can ignore the points of view and wishes of others."
Flat-out no. I can't be single-minded. That's the biggest problem with my perfectionism. If I were single-minded I would finish things; I wouldn't be wasting time making sure that all my projects respond to all the possible points of view that I can dream up, until I hit a deadline.
You've never felt controlled by someone pressuring you to do something, and resisted their input/advice/etc to follow your own intuition? That's how I read that line. I refuse to mindlessly follow someone else's arbitrary rules or preconceived notions about people, and that includes social norms. Along those lines, I can get "stuck" on someone who might be presenting evidence that contradicts my idea of who they are, once I make up my mind to pursue a relationship. Am trying to be more self aware about that.
"INTJs want harmony and order in the home and in relationships. They are the most independent of all types. They trust their intuitions about others when making choices of friends and mates, even in the face of contradicting evidence and pressures applied by others. "
"Choices of friends and mates"? I just try to include everyone...
You're easily discouraged? My idealistic enthusiasm leads me to plunge headlong into my pursuits, no matter how impossible they may seem, if the cause is morally sound and worth my effort.
Not easily discouraged, all things become possible, including what other types would consider to be impossibilities.
The first part, not so much, but the rest is of course bang-on.
Hmm... I do care about knowledge I acquire being put to use to do something, at least at this point in my life. That might have something to do with having an entrepreneurial spirit, though. :)
"The INTJ, more so than the INTP, may become very frustrated if that knowledge is not, in the form of some type of project, eventually applied constructively in the world."
Hah, no. I could care less if what I dream up is applied. So much knowledge passes through my head, it's not worth it. It'll all just come back naturally when I need it in coversation.
I agree with you here. Still, I'd much rather work independently on my own schedule using my own methods (wouldn't everyone though?) versus constantly receiving orders and specific instructions for how to do something. It just breaks my concentration and interferes with reverse engineering or brainstorming to solve a problem.
"INTJ’s are very self-motivated, drawn to working autonomously, and often do their best work when simply left to their own devices to undertake a particular project or task. They do not need to be, or enjoy being, watched over closely or micro-managed."
I'd say I'm more motivated by meeting/surpassing others' expectations, whether or not they're actually micro-managing me.
Ditto on planning! Made it this far in life making things up as I go along. However, planning is essential in order to achieve certain goals. :crazy: Working on it!
"With their imaginations unconstrained by tradition or social norms, the freethinking INTJ is willing and able to imagine possibilities that others might never consider. Combined with their understanding of systems and their strategic, coordination and planning skills, this renders the INTJ capable of conceiving often novel concepts and solutions."
Of course, but planning skills? HAH!
Thus, compelled to determine the very best plan of action, the INTJ may feel obligated to postpone any final decisions or bold actions until they have intelligently analyzed this range of possibilities and developed a plan about which they feel rather certain. [...] In some cases, the INTJ, mired in perfectionism, may even fail to take action at all."
Yes, except I don't develop a plan. I just fit the whole system of patterns into my subconscious and produce results through guided improvisation.
That's good. I still struggle with being paralyzed when faced with a multitude of possibilities, fearing that whatever I pick won't be the "best" choice as I go through all the possible outcomes in my head. Then a knowledge binge ensues, and there's even more information to consider. It can become a vicious cycle if I don't just hunker down and make a decision!
"Constant self-doubting is the hallmark of the NT, so severe, that because of these doubts the NT often does not react at all because of fear of failure. He can be completely immobilised by self-doubt so far that his resolution fades.
It's happened, sure, but I've learned not to exaggerate my self-doubts to a degree.
I can relate to what you said. Then again, when I'm super stressed or have to deal with confronting a person or situation, I have to actively work against avoidant tendencies.
"Losing Themselves in Irrelevant Obsessive Thought – In addition to biting sarcasm, another tactic the INTJ may use to distance from the outside world is escaping into their own mind. With their ability to see contingencies and explore possibilities, there is a virtually endless buffet of material available for an INTJ to ponder. And while the INTJ may usually be frustrated by meaningless abstract thought decoupled from constructive action, they may, when stressed, take great comfort in remaining deep in contemplation as an avoidant defense rather than as a step in the pursuit of meaningful goals in the world."
I'd like to think that I escape into other people's minds more than my own.
Must be a personal problem then, LOL. ;) I went through a yearlong period that was pretty rough. I don't think healthy ENFPs often become disconnected from the world.
"In their desire to escape from outside stressors, the unhealthy INTJ may retreat not only mentally through perpetual abstract thinking, but even physically. At the extreme, the INTJ may become almost completely disconnected from the outside world around them.
The closest experience I've had to this was putting my social life on hold for a girlfriend who liked to stay in a lot.
Man, mundane tasks are like pulling teeth for me. Filling out forms, making calls about appointments, laundry (!), cleaning... perhaps I'll try to imagine I'm on a grand adventure or quest while performing such tasks. :cool: How do you use your imagination to make them more bearable?
"The INTJ may experience the day-to-day tasks of living – paying bills, cleaning, shopping – as extremely boring or even threatening distractions from the intellectual deliberations and engaging projects that they perceive as more important and meaningful. When very unhealthy, they may eschew these activities as much as possible while escaping into the much more exciting and stimulating realms of their imagination and autonomous work."
It's not that they're boring. Nothing's really ever boring considering how good my imagination is. Most people just assume that I find such things boring because I never think of doing them.
Totally. The science experiment thing doesn't resonate with me, but I can relate to being idealistic about a romantic partner and relentlessly working at a relationship to "fix" it.
"The always visionary INTJ may have a clear image of their ideal relationship in mind, rife with romantic and sexual symbolism and, just as in other areas of their life, may be exhilarated or frustrated based on the extent to which the reality of the situation matches their imagined ideal. Where the relationship falls short of this ideal, the INTJ may, typically, feel driven to develop strategies to close that gap. This approach can make the INTJ a very committed partner, eager to work with their lover to make the relationship the best it can be, but may also leave their partner feeling more like a science experiment than a loved human being."
No, no, no... I have a very open image of an ideal relationship, and over-think what my partner might be thinking, to the point I don't think I could conceivably "leave [my] partner feeling more like a science experiment than a loved human being".
I have to be with someone who stimulates me mentally. If he can't keep up a conversation and banter with me, there'll be someone who will be able to hold my attention and incite feelings of attraction that way.
"The INTJ tends to value a mate who is strong and independent and can “hold their own” in discussions and dealings with the INTJ."
If she can't, it's no biggie. I'll adapt if I want to date her and she wants to date me.