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  1. #11

    Type Four Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Four


    This subtype is the least volatile and fiery of the type Four stackings. They can resemble type One in terms of their efficiency and practicality. Although their focus will be more on the emotional aesthetic, these Fours do have a considerable practical side. Less flashy than some of the subtypes of Four, they nevertheless have a quiet charm and developed sense of style. They are likely to value their possessions, to perhaps collect items of personal emotional significance. They may, for instance, have shelves and shelves of books and have a place for each book. This subtype can also resemble type Six in terms of having a great deal of anxiety. This anxiety often revolves around self-pres concerns such as those surrounding health issues and mortality. Their strong self-pres instinct also lends a degree of independence to this subtype. As the sexual instinct is least pronounced, this subtype of Four is prone to romanticize intimacy without actually pursuing real relationships. When healthy, these Fours can be very productive; when less healthy they might suffer from boughts of melancholy or self pity. The strong self-pres instinct however often helps these individuals to recognize how their state of mind is impacting their health and well being. This enables them to become action oriented.


    This subtype also cares very much about their surroundings and their possessions. They feel as if these things help to express who they are. There is more of a passionate sense about them as compared to the self/soc. They have more of a sensual relationship with their environment. These Fours are much more tortured by their difficulty with respect to maintaining close relationships. The self-preservational instinct tends to be in conflict with the sexual instinct, causing this subtype to habitually analyze their relationships to the point where they find it difficult to be present to them. When unhealthy, these Fours can become very disdainful of the social environment. They also start to envy the ease with which others seem to form relationships and maintain friendships. When Fours of this subtype are healthy, they find that they can form relationships without feeling as though they are sacrificing authenticity. They no longer feel that they have to automatically define themselves as "different from others," as outside the group. They are able to see the ways in which their emotionality might cloud their better judgment and to use that insight to establish equilibrium.


    This subtype can mimic type One when it comes to social values. They can be harsh critics of the current mores. They have romantic ideals of what the world should be like; reality always falls short. Ironically, this type can be the most withdrawn of the Fours. Social anxiety combines with the Four's shame issues to make this type feel that the pressure associated with "fitting in" is just not worth it. They are also the most likely of the Fours to intellectualize their emotions and in this way resemble type Five.

    The social instinct tends to give the personality a focus on being included, fitting in, or finding a way to make a valued contribution. This agenda conflicts with the Four's sense of being "different from" or "other than." The Four's need to establish a separate identity conflicts with the social instinct's drive towards inclusion. The social Four often deals with this dilemma by defining themselves as being outside the social system. By defining themselves always in terms of the system, even if it is to establish distance, this Four stays essentially tied to it. Fours with the social/self-pres stacking tend to acutely feel a sense of social shame at not quite belonging.

    When this subtype is reasonably healthy, they are often gifted critics of the prevailing culture. They develop true insight into social dynamics and have an eye for the nuances and subtleties of social interactions. Many Four writers are soc/self.


    This is overall the "lightest" type Four when it comes to social interaction. They are likely to utilize charm and humor. This type is more scattered and can be down right disorganized. They can drift through life always feeling like an outsider, yet they usually have friends. They can alternate from being the life of the party to withdrawing. Intimates will know of their insecurities and dark moody side while acquaintances will see a softer, friendlier side. This subtype’s energy is geared towards people, but they never feel as though they really fit in. They are often quite creative, talented people who have many interests, but they frequently lack the energy to actually accomplish what they would like. They can drift and withdraw very easily. When healthy and with the right support from friends (and perhaps a little push) they tap into their instinctual energy. When they do this, they begin to see how much they can accomplish. A positive connection to others helps them stay focused.


    This is a very volatile type. They are driven to form connections but have very high demands of their partners. When their powerful fantasies don’t match reality, they become very restless. They take the fire and passion of the sexual instinct and turn it inward. This can cause both brooding and fiery outbursts. Dramatic mood swings are very likely with this type. This subtype of Four could be considered the most classic Four, because of the way they seem to embody the archetype of the tortured artist, although not all Fours of this subtype are artists. Stereotype aside, this subtype does tend to bring their emotions into focus more readily then the other subtypes of Four. What is under the surface with the self-pres/sexual is now bubbling to the surface. This subtype can resemble type Seven because of their drama, passion for experience and tendency to suffer from frustration when life seems dull. Like type Seven, they can seem to throw themselves into experience.

    When healthy, this subtype learns to balance the need for passion with the less obvious need for groundedness which can come from solid and focused relationships with others and with their creative outlets.


    This subtype is able to connect with others and with life itself, but always with an undertone of volatility and a tendency to dramatize. They are the most involved and connected of the subtypes of Four. They can go from relationship to relationship, seemingly tortured by each one. They are the most driven of the subtypes of Four to express themselves publicly and type Four celebrities are commonly found with this stacking. This subtype has a real difficulty remaining grounded, partly due to the undeveloped self-pres instinct. Although they can appear almost Eight-like at times with their lust for life and desire for passionate experience, they lack the focus of the Eight and the instinctual energy that would keep them grounded. Sometimes alcohol or substance abuse can be a problem. These Fours become more healthy when they learn to control their impulsiveness and focus their energies.
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  2. #12

    Type Five Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Five

    The self-preservational instinct is accentuated by the type Five fixation. The other two instincts are in opposition to the main type. When dominant, the social and sexual instincts therefore set up some degree of conflict with the dominant type Five fixation.


    In the average health range, this instinctual stacking is warm, friendly, and loyal. They need their down time and have no problem spending time alone. They actually value it very much. They feel an energy drain from people’s demands on them. This instinctual stacking is what is described in most Enneagram books. The most notable and potentially frustrating thing about people of this type is the difficulty involved in getting really close to them. While they can usually handle themselves socially, they always hold back when it comes to intensity or intimacy in a relationship which can frustrate a sexual variant type. Others are aware that there is more going on beneath the surface, but it can’t really be accessed. These Fives are masters at minimizing their needs. Even though they shy away from intense personal relationships they often have a lot of intuition about others. Their detached level of personal involvement somehow brings objectivity to their insights. They can be the most practical of the instinctual stackings.

    Their issues usually revolve around demands made on their time. This can become problematic in personal relationships. This subtype has an ideal vision of what a close or romantic relationship should be, but given their concerns for protecting their space and time and lacking the instinctual drive of a strong sexual instinct, energy just doesn’t flow in that direction. Because this subtype is good at minimizing their needs they can get along fine with few relationships or without a romantic partner. With the social instinct second in the stacking, they generally do find friends or colleagues and they may even be married, but the need to maintain their own time to pursue their interests is always a point of contention.


    This subtype, like the self-pres/social, is more typical of the depictions of type Five. The self-preservational instinct accentuates the self-contained, withdrawing tendencies of the Five. Fives of this subtype love their time alone with a passion, and pursue it more actively even than the other subtype of self-pres Five, although with the sexual instinct second, they often want to find time for intimates as well. On the down side, they have more disdain for people and little use for the social aspects of life. They want to be left alone or they want to share their inner world with their intimates. The intensity of the sexual instinct is reserved for their intimates and even there it is sporadic. The self-pres energy gives this subtype a solid foundation and some degree of practicality.

    These Fives are conflicted when it comes to experiencing and expressing emotions. They usually default to emotional repression and to detached intellectual analysis. This is a dynamic common to all Fives, but with the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking, the balance of these forces is pretty precarious and it seems as though the scales are being constantly adjusted one way or another. As the social instinct is the least developed, the social arena gets the drier more intellectual approach almost by default.


    One might think that the energy of this subtype would be warmer and friendlier than that of the self-pres/social, but it doesn’t usually present that way. Because the social instinct is dominant, these Fives are much more aware of their role in the group. They are therefore more careful of their involvements with others. The social arena is more important and is invested with more energy, so these Fives will pull up faster and harder into self-pres mode if they should feel at all threatened. This will sometimes give others the impression of coldness. This subtype will center a lot of their intellectual interest around the workings of society, humanity or spirituality. This serves as their connection with people. By means of these abstract mental constructs, Fives of this subtype feel a sense of belonging socially, without having to be personally involved and invested. The healthier people of this subtype are, the more they are able to integrate their mental constructs with their actual experiences. They can really be content to adopt the role of “people watcher,” but they do it from a closer and closer perspective. Their blind spot revolves around the fact that they tend to convince themselves they can get along just fine in the observer role. It does feel safer to them. If they do have a few people relatively close to them, they can really strike a good balance between their need to withdraw and their need to connect to the larger social world.

    This subtype could be seen as the most intellectual of type Five. The combination of the basic desire for knowing with the social instinct’s need to "fit in," makes people of this subtype want to find a niche as the expert. Their interest in structure, especially social structure, accentuates their natural inclination for acquiring knowledge. With the sexual instinct least developed, this subtype is in the position of having a strong pull towards understanding the workings of the world around them, without the emotional intensity of the sexual instinct setting up any distraction. These Fives fit the role of the scientist or professor quite well in this respect.


    When reasonably healthy, people of this subtype can be very engaging (for a Five). They smile a lot and are often friendly. Their energy is quite different from the social/self-pres subtype because both the social and sexual energies push outwards, and so partly balance out some of the withdrawing tendencies of the Five. This doesn’t mean that people of this subtype are necessarily any healthier however. The outgoing energy is not the result of true integration to Eight but is the result of the compulsive pull of the instincts. People of this subtype are usually warm and when feeling secure are likely to let people in and even to initiate contact. When they feel insecure however, they can actually go to the other extreme and be very shy. For this reason, people of this subtype could easily be mistyped; those Fives who withdraw from social contact because of feelings of insecurity, might not seem like social subtypes at all. It might not be obvious that they actually very much desire contact. For people of this subtype, the social instinct actually works as a release value for the sexual component. When relaxed and comfortable with others, the sexual instinct can easily be seen.

    People of this subtype are very aware of how they “fit in,” and also experience the sexual drive of wanting to connect with intimates. Like other social/sexual subtypes, they have the tendency to cultivate many relationships. They want to be liked by everyone, but being Fives they also tend to hold a part of themselves back for fear of rejection or of being overwhelmed by the demands of the relationship. This subtype of Five is more likely to fear rejection than the other subtypes of Five. Because both of the dominant instincts are focused on people, any failure in the realm of interpersonal relationships triggers a fear that there is no safety in the world. Personality systems like the Enneagram function as tool to help this subtype of Five to feel safe in the world. People of this subtype tend to think that the more they understand people, the less chance they have of being rejected. This tends to be a blind spot for people of this subtype as they don’t see that what will actually help them to become healthier is gaining more life experience. This will help them to see that their world will not come to an end with a little rejection.


    This subtype has a lot in common the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking. They experience many of the same internal conflicts surrounding relationships, the need for independence and emotional expression. The sexual/self-pres subtype differs however in being more intense, more counterphobic. They entertain more dark nihilistic ideas, ideas that most others don’t want to consider.

    With this subtype, a lot of energy revolves around the issue of boundaries. Sexual/self-pres Fives tend to forge strong connections quickly and deeply, but if they feel betrayed, begin to feel overwhelmed, or if they feel that the connection doesn’t serve their true needs, can seem to cut the connection precipitously and “go cold.” They have high standards for significant others. They must feel that they can share their emotions with a significant other without being judged. This is their private world that they share. Relationships can be difficult, because individuals of this subtype will still want their own space and alone time, while at other times will want intense connection. Because the social instinct is least developed, this subtype is not very concerned with how others perceive them (except their intimates). This subtype is deceptive in that they may not seem to be especially intense - until they are engaged in a conversation they find interesting. Then the intensity and emotion become apparent. The internal struggle for this subtype is similar to that of the self-pres/sexual, but more energized and volatile, and getting to know this subtype means getting to know that.

    When unhealthy, the energy of the sexual instinct can combine with the dominant type Five fixation to create a very impulsive Eight-like anger. The strength of their convictions can then come out quite forcefully.


    This subtype is the most dramatic of the instinctual stackings of type Five. They are less concerned than the social/sexual subtype with social rejection, but take rejection from intimates very much to heart. They have a strong desire to express themselves, and can be the most Four-like of all the instinctual subtypes of type Five.

    Not only do they have a strong desire to merge with a significant other, they also want to make their mark in the larger social sphere. The intensity, aggression, counterphobic stance and desire to connect deeply, all combine with the social instinct to produce a highly charged personality. This subtype can become quite accomplished if they are able to form an intimate connection with someone who will help ground them and provide them with a feeling of security. When Fives of this subtype feel a sense of safety due to healthy intimate relationships, they will want to share whatever knowledge, talent or insight they may have.

    When unhealthy, this subtype can be very dark, pessimistic and the most confrontational of all the subtypes of Five. They can also become very arrogant.

  3. #13

    Type Six Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Six


    This subtype of Six is generally warm and friendly. The self-pres combines with the social instinct in such a way that the Six looks to find security in alliances. This type is the least counterphobic of the instinctual stackings of type Six. It's not so much that they can’t be counterphobic; it’s just not where they locate their security. They would rather feel comforted by the safety of like-minded individuals. Family and traditions are often very important to them. They can appear like enneatype One in their ability to get things done, their organizational style, their sense of duty, and their loyalty. This type is usually very independent and proactive when it comes to the details of life. They get things done before they become a problem. On the down side, they can become frozen with anxiety. This stacking is the most visibly anxious Six. They can exhaust themselves from worrying.

    In relationships, when healthy, they are very loyal and trustworthy. The self-pres in the Six brings a focus on security. Security to the self-pres/social Six is generated by connections with other individuals or groups. These alliances with others foster a "going towards." This stance usually involves a testing of others to make sure that they are safe. Does the other person have the best interests of the Six at heart? They question other's intentions. It’s not generally an overt confrontational testing, but still, testing others is always an essential element in determining who becomes a trusted friend or romantic partner.


    This type shares with the self-pres/social stacking the need to keep their environment in order. They also can appear One-like in that way. The differences revolve around the fact that they find their security more in their ability to attract a mate. They are concerned about how they are seen sexually. Their alliances to groups and authority can be quite conflicting. With the social instinct last in their stacking, this subtype can have a natural distrust of the social dynamic, especially when they fear it threatens their self-preservational concerns. The stance with regards to political or social concerns can vary wildly within this subtype. The self-pres is looking for safety and alliances with others, usually in a "going towards" fashion, but at the same time, the more assertive energy of the sexual instinct can manifest in a more counterphobic stance.

    Their intimates are very important. Their issues with security are focused on their loved ones; their anxiety is closely tied to the pulse and feedback of the people closest to them. They are less outwardly fearful than the self-pres/social. While mainly phobic, their counterphobic nature shows in their sense of fun. They are drawn to intensity, and are likely to overcome fear in order to engage in adventures.(This is especially true with the Seven wing.)


    This type appears One-like also, but for different reasons. This time, the social instinct combines with the self-pres to give this subtype a strong desire to know where they fit within the group, with whom they can make strong alliances. Conversely, they can counterphobicaly oppose groups. They are usually political in some form. Adhering to rules is seen as very important to this type. They have issues with authority, such as distrusting reactively or trusting too vehemently. This is the result of their lack of a close connection to people (a function of the undeveloped sexual instinct). Their allegiance is not to individuals but to a group of like-minded others. This subtype could possibly find themselves in jobs such as with the police of firefighting force, and in such professions where it is possible to identify with a group which has clearly defined rules and purposes. On the up side, these are people with a strong moral compass; they can be counted on to do the right thing. They do volunteer work. They become politicians. They are generally solid people. On the down side, their "us against them" thinking can turn into bigotry, paranoia, and "playing the martyr."

    In relationships, they can appear almost Two-like sometimes. Their need for people in their lives, coupled with the sexual instinct being last, causes them to worry about the close bonds they have with others and can also cause them to "go towards" while at the same time requiring validation about the strength of the bond. On the down side, they can become very critical of others when they fear their differences. Their need to find security within the group is threatened when others don’t do things the way they do or think the way they think. This occurs mostly when this subtype is unhealthy. When they are healthier, the differences between themselves and others are not bothersome and may even be seen as reassuring.


    This type can be very different from the other social type, because with this type, security comes from making alliances with individuals. Their weakness comes from their self-pres instinct being last, so they are not as independent as the self-pres/soc. They rely on key people in their lives when doubt sets in. Their security comes from maintaining close bonds. They fear rejection much more then the soc/self-pres. This softens the strong stances seen in the soc/self-pres, because the soc/sex doesn’t find its security in organizations and government. They go through life looking for the people they think will be able to direct them. On the down side, they can make individuals into their authority figures and rely too much on them. They are a lighter Six. They go with the flow more than the other subtypes. They are likely to use humor to charm people, but on the down side may whine and complain about their circumstances to garner support. When healthier, their charm, enthusiasm and curiosity are infectious. They are very loyal friends, although that can be said more or less about all reasonably healthy Sixes. But with the self-pres/soc and the soc/sex nothing much more then your support is required, for maintaining their friendship.


    The sexual/self-pres Six is more concerned with strength, beauty and merging. With this stacking, the counterphobic energy is directed more toward individuals than towards ideas and concepts. It’s more about controlling the people closest to them. Paranoia arises when the Six feels abandoned by intimates. In the sexual/self-pres Six, doubt and anxiety is relieved by the knowledge that one's intimates really are trustworthy. These Sixes are always testing their mates for loyalty. The sexual Six is counterphobic in terms of needing to prove their desirability and strength.

    This type is identified with their respective gender roles for security. They can be competitive and appear Eight-like. Male Sixes are likely to show strength as a form of counterphobia. Female Sixes are likely to emphasize their looks in order to be attractive. Security comes from knowing they are desirable. They can be very possessive of their mates. This can turn to extreme jealousy. On the down side, paranoia about the relationship can set in. The sexual/self-pres Six can appear Three-like, because of their need for validation and competitiveness.

    On the high side, this subtype can be the most fiercely loyal to their friendships and to those loved ones who have gained their trust. The intensity of the sexual instinct brings with it a passion that is unwavering for the love and protection of their loved ones. The nature of the Six to "go towards," combined with the merging of the sexual instinct, can sometimes create an idealization of others, the ones that have passed the test of the Six. On the down side, the fear of losing the close relationship can cause this subtype to desperately lash out counterphobicaly.


    The counterphobic stance of the sexual Six can be seen in competition for attracting the right mate, and in testing to see who is worthy of trust. This is true of both sexual subtypes and especially true of the sexual/social. This type is likely to be found quite commonly among actresses and actors as they tend towards a dramatic presentation. Their need to be identified with their desirability and their strong social instinct, combine to sometimes make them public figures. They are less possessive of their mates, but still feel the need to have control in the relationship. They can have a very focused intensity. They can appear Four-like in their desire to express themselves and give into their passions. They define themselves in accordance with the prevailing gender norms opting to appear masculine or feminine as the case may be. This outward energy is sometimes counterbalanced with inward doubting, which can lead to depression, anger, and acting out, at the lower levels of health.

    Anxiety isn’t as noticeable with the sexual variant of type Six, especially when the self-pres instinct is last. The typical things we associate with anxiety aren’t obvious with this subtype. Their anxiety is focused in the arena of relationships, and since their stance is mostly counterphobic, anxiety is not always obvious, and the Six too might be unaware of its presence. This can be true of all the subtypes of type Six. Their anxiety exists at a core level so that Sixes don't always know how to gauge its existence. So, even the more visibly anxious subtypes might not be aware of their underlying anxiety. The sexual/social can appear Eight-like, in their defense of their loved ones and social standing.
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  5. #14

    Type Seven Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Seven

    The instinctual energies often appear to manifest differently in enneatype Seven, but the underlying structure really is the same as with any other type. The Seven fixation results in a running away from the internal, away from boredom or pain. Sevens go towards the external world for relief. While the self-pres energy is an inward turning energy, when coupled with the Seven’s outward orientation, the self-pres subtype of Seven can appear outgoing, and more fun loving than other self-pres subtypes.

    Social seven tends to exhibit a nervous energy compared to the other subtypes of Seven while a dominant sexual instinct often accentuates the outward energy of the Seven in terms of a seeking after intensity.


    Self-pres/soc Seven has many friends and loves to entertain. Sevens want to experience life with their friends. The self-pres in type Seven manifests in a desire for sensual pleasures. Their energy goes to the comforts of the body and positive experiences, both experiences of the body and the mind. Like all Sevens, they have an enthusiastic quality, especially as it pertains to the future. Making plans for life is essential for the self-pres/social Seven. This future orientation of the self/social Seven can be an escape from boredom, so many of the plans they make for the future don’t come to fruition. This doesn’t stop them however from forging ahead and moving onto the next grand scheme. The self-pres/social Seven’s plans usually focus around typical self-pres concerns such as making money, exploring job opportunities, or renovating the house. With social second in the stacking much of their energy will spill over into maintaining social connections.

    When unhealthier, their many friendships serve mostly as tools which help keep the Seven distracted from facing themselves and their problems. The more friends, the more opportunities the Seven has to be distracted. These Sevens can have a hard time making or keeping commitments, as commitments can feel like a limitation on their options. With the sexual instinct least developed, they can feel unmotivated to put in the work it takes to maintain a close relationship.

    When this subtype gets healthier they learn to ground themselves, slow down and actually appreciate the many things they have acquired, whether they be material things or experiences. They start to realize that the next great plan may not give them the happiness they are expecting.


    This subtype is similar to the self-pres/social, but their plans and pursuits are more passionate in nature. There is often more of an artistic flair. They can be moodier then the other subtype. Their focus is more on relationships, although commitment can also be a problem for this subtype. This subtype can even be known to use introspection as an escape. They can go inward with a seeming depth, but they will usually avoid the most troublesome areas, the areas and characteristics most painful to them.

    This subtype of Seven is overall more focused than the self-pres/social. Their focus is on their intimates although certainly not solely on them as they usually have many other fires burning also. They generally have a great sense of humor, sharp quick minds and many interests. These qualities might be common to all subtypes of the Seven, but in the self-pres/sexual subtype, the infusion of enthusiasm comes through when they are engaged in their plans and fulfilling them.


    Enneatype Seven is a mentally fixated type, with image focus generally underdeveloped. For the social Seven, the concern with issues of image and relation to the group is somewhat at odds with dominant type Seven fixation. This can result in some apparently conflicting behaviors in the social/self-pres Seven. There is an underlying sense of insecurity and anxiety that isn’t as apparent in the other subtypes of Seven which is especially noticeable with the Six wing. (These can even become quite needy when unbalanced.) With sexual instinct least developed, they can lose trust in the bonds they have. While they may be very good and comfortable in a large group and when dealing with surface social relationships, they sometimes can struggle with forming and maintaining connections in a closer relationship.

    The self-pres backup for the social instinct adds a grounding force that is missing with the social/sexual. While still possessing a good sense of humor, this subtype also usually has more focus and follow-through when it comes to their many projects. On the high side, they are community minded, have a lot of energy and usually socially accomplished.


    This Seven has a lot of energy although not always a productive energy, as it often contains a frenetic quality. These Sevens usually have a great sense of humor and many comedians are soc/sexual sevens. The social and sexual instincts go hand in hand with the type Seven fixation. These Sevens want to keep things light. They have fast sharp minds that incorporate social awareness into their humor which they use to get by in their interactions with the world. On the down side, commitment is a big issue for this subtype. They cultivate many friendships and can thrive on winning people over, making them laugh and entertaining them but intimacy can feel threatening and constraining. For others, interacting with this subtype of Seven can feel draining, because they are “on” so much of the time.

    With the self-pres instinct least developed in the stacking, they tend to lose focus on their many plans. On the down side, their health and commitments can fall by the wayside in lieu of the buzz of the newest excitement.

    In intimate relationships, this subtype is “the charmer,” but they maintain their freedom from any strong ties to the one person. They may end up in marriages or long term commitments where they hook up with someone reliable and stable, someone with a much more low key personality. This gives them the stability they don’t have themselves. This eventually leads to trouble if the soc/sexual seven doesn’t realize that responsibility for his or her own life can’t be transferred to another. It’s not that the soc/sexual goes into the relationship with this kind of pattern in mind. It is just easy for the dynamic to default to that dynamic.


    The energy of the sexual instinct is, in some ways, at odds with the type Seven fixation. The Seven’s focus is future oriented and outward, away from the inner world, while the sexual variant is instinctual and dwells on the inner self as far as relationships and identity are concerned. This combination can make for a Seven that can be Four-like in many ways. They can have a flamboyant style and be very moody and intense. In relationships, there is often a push-pull quality. They are very attracted to the falling in love part. The buzz and high of that is very stimulating to them, almost drug-like for them. Their problems come when that buzz wears off. They want to recreate it again and again, but they also have a way of becoming attached and sometimes very dependent on their romantic partners. On the down side, they can be very clingy but don’t want at the same time to lose their freedom. When unhealthy, they can be very selfish in these relationships, things become one-sided in a way that favors the interests of the Seven.

    The sexual/self-pres Seven’s addictive behavior with relationships can extend to other areas, like music, and performing in general. The rock star image and lifestyle can be attractive to the sexual Seven. Many rock stars are sexual Sevens the buzz they experience from music can be similar to what they experience in relationships. Creativity can also function as a release of frustration from the boredom.


    This subtype has a lot of energy, crazy, intense energy and this energy is going to find a way to manifest. This subtype of Seven can have the biggest extremes in behavior and with material success in life. With the self-pres instinct last in the stacking they aren’t afraid of taking risks, so they sometimes become very successful, as in the case of rock stars, but they typically also take too many risks, look for too many easy ways out. With the self-pres least developed, they can become dependent on others to add a much needed stabilizing element to their busy hedonistic lives. They have many of the same issues and share many of the same problems as the other sexual first subtype with regards to relationship addiction and have even more dependency issues then the sexual/self-pres. They can lose focus and drift similar to the social/sexual subtype and their high energy can likewise be draining for others.

    With this subtype, you have drama mixed with mental energy. What separates them from Fours who they might resemble superficially is their planning and future orientation. Their drama and intensity is focused on what they are going to do, not on what has happened. They are usually blind to their past, moving forward and not looking back.
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    Type Eight Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Eight

    Each of the instincts of enneatype Eight are amplified and manifest without conflict with the main enneatype. The Eight is an instinctual type and the variants are instinctual energies. You see what you get. A self-pres Eight takes care of their self-pres needs. A social Eight is social and issues of control extend to their circle of influence. The sexual instinct gets amplified also. The lust of the Eight is best exemplified in the sexual Eight.


    Self-pres/soc Eights are very self reliant. They are frequently entrepreneurial; the self-preservational instinct combines with the social to make a subtype that is very focused on the external environment. Self-pres/social Eights are the least dramatic of type Eight. They are "no nonsense" types. They can be introverted, especially when the Nine wing is dominant. But, even though they are often quiet, they are very much in control of themselves and their direction in life. On the high side, they make great business owners. They show a sense of fairness and have an instinctual drive to do what needs to be done. They know how to make decisions and aren’t afraid to implement them. Because the sexual instinct is last, they can sometimes be seen as difficult to warm up to. They can be seen as "all business."

    This type has a tendency to see relationships as somehow "getting in the way." While they may desire a close romantic relationship, they don't want it if it is at the expense of their self-pres needs. They can appear Five-like in this way, as they are concerned about the demands a relationship might make on their time.


    This subtype is more fiery and impulsive. They still have the "no nonsense" approach to life, along with the "can do" attitude, but they exhibit more outward energy. Because the self-preservational instinct and the sexual instinct are in conflict, the one pulling in and the other pushing forward, they often have more of an on-off quality to them. But you will know where you stand with a self-pres/sexual Eight. Although their outward energy is in contrast to their inward self-pres energy, they have a very focused attitude in the areas of life in which the two energies coincide, such as the realm of family and close friendship, those things they are really passionate about. Their control over their intimate life will be noticeable. With the social instinct last in the instinctual stacking, this subtype can be blunt and confrontational with people who aren't in their inner circle.

    The self-pres/sexual Eight feels very independent. They feel as though they need no one outside of the few people they are close to. On the down side, they have a tendendcy to distrust people and tend to challenge them to see where they stand. When healthier, they realize there is sometimes a greater strength in adopting a softer approach.


    This subtype generally has a larger sphere of influence, although they might still be very entrepreneurial. They are likely to be more socially minded then the other subtypes of Eight. They are more aware of group dynamics. The social instinct, when combined with the type Eight fixation, causes an exagerrated awareness of whoever is in control. This often leads these Eights to get involved in politics, or to rise to levels of leadership within their place of business, or within their social organizations. They are also just as likely to oppose the group or the person in charge of it. The self-pres instinct combines with the social to give this subtype a "can do" approach to life, similar to that of the self-pres/soc. The difference is that their scope of interests extends further into the social arena. The soc/self-pres Eight, when unhealthy, can use their awareness of power realtions to abuse whatever power they might have.


    This subtype is a very charismatic. They have a very assertive energy and they demand attention. The lust of the Eight combines with the sexual instinct to make one of the most fiery of the combinations of all of the enneatypes, especially if Seven is the dominant wing. Sexual/self-pres Eights aren’t afraid to tell you what they think. The "can do" attitude that the other subtypes have is now intertwined with an outward passionate storm of energy. The sexual/self-pres Eight will be similar to the self-pres/sex Eight with respect to interests and attachment to close friends and family, but the intensity level is augmented. Since the sexual instinct is first, these Eights usually don't let an opportunity pass by to connect with those they find interesting. They can sense the power in any situation and they like to challenge people. They can enjoy making others react to them, keeping others on their toes, to find out what makes them tick. They are likely to use humor to accomplish this. When sex/self-pres Eights are unbalanced, they are very quick to anger and have a difficult time controlling their impulses.


    This subtype of Eight comes across a little softer then the sexual first subtypes. The social instinct combines with the sexual to make a subtype that is very aware of interpersonal dynamics. Like the social/self-pres Eight, they are less concerned with group dynamics. The social/sexual is more talkative, and if the Seven wing is dominant, may even be mistaken for a Seven. This subtype usually has a wide circle of friends. They can be very charismatic also, using humor to charm people. On the down side, they can use their interpersonal awareness to con people.

    This subtype, largely because the self-preservational instinct is last, may be the least entrepreneurial of the instinctual subtypes of type Eight. The lust for life manifests through connection to others. On the high side, their awareness of the social dynamic makes them very charismatic. On the down side, it can make them overly aware of issues involving control. They are especially sensitive to any hint that others may be trying to control them, but they may misuse power themselves.


    This subtype of Eight manifests as the alpha male and alpha female. They demand everyone's attention, and usually get it. They can be very charismatic. The assertive energy of the Eight combines with the assertive energy of the sexual instinct. With the self-preservational instinct least developed, this subtype has a lot of extroverted energy. This type isn’t afraid to go after what they want in life. The fixation on lust and the emphasis on control combine with great intensisty. At times, it’s almost as if their energy gets ahead of them, which can cause problems. They often have a vision of the future, but they have their blind spots too. They can harness a tremendous amount of energy for change, but at the same time be unaware of the fallout they might encounter because of their sometimes excessive self-assertion.
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  7. #16

    Type Nine Stacks

    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Nine

    Enneatype Nines are out of touch with the instinctual center. Because Nines are of touch with their instinctual energy they have a very conflicted relationship to the expression of the various instincts.

    This subtype is the most self-effacing of type Nine, possibly the least assertive of all the enneagram types. They can feel as though they have been looked over and passed by. While they do desire attention and recognition, with the sexual instinct last in the stacking, they seldom actively pursue it. They feel as though it’s just not worth it. This subtype is usually very deliberate and methodical in their speech. They sometimes get frustrated because they don’t feel that they can say what they really want to say. They are therefore often very short and concise with their communication, not wanting to provoke any confrontation. But when given a chance and the time to express themselves, they can be quite talkative. While self-pres needs are important to this type, the fact that they are essentially Nines, sometimes causes them to put the needs of others before their own. When under stress, this type is likely to do busy work, anything that distracts them from their problems.

    In relationships, the self-pres instinct combines with the merging qualities of the Nine to make a person committed and connected strongly in areas of security, home and other practical matters. They merge their environment with their loved ones. On the down side, this subtype can be passive-aggressive and withdraw under stress, holding back affection. They could possibly go long periods of time without talking to their spouse directly.


    This subtype is self-effacing also, but is generally more assertive. They may be the subtype of Nine which is most aware of the boundaries between themselves and others and at the same time, possibly the most frustrated when those boundaries are violated. They can be aware of being walked over and they might even be aware of the anger it causes, but they become frustrated with their seeming inability to control this pattern. This is true, to some degree, of all Nines, but with the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking, there seems to be a complex and interesting balance between the withdrawing energy caused by the dominant self-pres instinct and the assertive energy of the sexual instinct. This combination seems to raise consciousness of this dynamic.

    Getting healthy for this subtype, and for all Nines, involves becoming aware of this dynamic and realizing they do have the power to control their boundaries. Part of this must come from the realization on the part of the Nine that they have invited this overstepping of their boundaries from others by not defining them.
    Close relationships will usually work or not for this subtype depending on how well they deal with this issue.


    Social Nines feel the need for validation and for "fitting in" but they feel these indirectly. They move towards others in a way which can resemble Twos, but they are motivated by a desire to initiate and maintain contact without provoking conflict. On the high side, the social/self-pres Nine generally knows a lot of people and gets along with most everyone. They are helpful people who generally have a great sense of humor. They get involved with the social environment. They might be the soccer coach, or if politically inclined, they might join and participate in a political party. When in leadership roles, they lead by consensus and charm. Their skill is in conflict management. With the sexual instinct last, they tend to avoid intensity, but they are actively involved with people.

    Intimate relationships might be frustrating for the partner of this subtype of Nine because the Nine's social engagements might make the partner feel as though the Nine is connected with everyone except them. Sometimes this subtype can use their social connections in a passive-aggressive way against the partner; they might withhold attention from the partner in lieu of spending time with friends.


    This subtype is "everyone’s friend." The social/sexual energy combines with the Nine's merging tendency and conflict avoidance to create a subtype that is very charming and uses humor quite extensively to engage with the people in their lives. On the down side, they can be frustrating because they can easily lose focus when it comes to their life priorities. With the self-pres instinct last in the stacking, they have a hard time tending to their own needs. They drift, and tend to use their charm to get a lot of their self-pres needs met by the people in their lives. When the Eight wing is dominant, they sometimes even develop a sense of entitlement, though they are just as likely to return help to those they charm into helping them.

    In relationships, this subtype can suffer from some of the same problems as the other social subtype. They usually fall into a relationship in which the partner pushes them to "do more" with their lives. This can be positive for both parties, but often ends up causing resentment to build for both partners.


    The energy of the sexual instinct is at odds with the dominant type Nine energy and makes for a conflicted subtype. These Nines can appear to have a stronger connection to Three, for this reason. The assertive fiery energy engages in a constant push-pull with the calm peace-seeking energy of the Nine. This subtype can have an intense relationship with their environment. They are often drawn to solo sports or to an active engagement with nature that involves some risk and exertion. These Nines are drawn to peak experiences. They might enjoy outdoor solo sports or engaging in nature by way of hiking, rock climbing etc.

    With the social instinct last in the stacking, there can be an on/off quality when it comes to relating and these Nines are often somewhat moodier than the other subtypes. As with the self-pres/sexual, this subtype might not engage socially with the same smoothness as other subtypes of Nine. They seem to go towards others in a staccato fashion - they connect in bursts, then withdraw.

    When it comes to intimate relationships, this subtype can be needy. The merging of the Nine combines with the intensity of the sexual instinct to create a subtype that will always be in danger of losing themselves in a relationship. Their boundaries for themselves and their partner can become blurred which can lead to conflicts. This subtype might have a hard time judging clearly the degree to which they have merged.


    This subtype of Nine may appear least like a stereotypical Nine because the outward sexual and social energies obscure some of the withdrawing and "zoning out" tendencies of the Nine. These Nines are the most connected and assertive of the subtypes of Nine, especially when it comes to relationships. There is still some internal struggle, as with the sexual/self-pres, but overall there is less of a tendency to withdraw. With the self-pres instinct last, this subtype can neglect self-preservational needs in favor of the intensity of their sexual instinct's pursuits. Individuals of this subtype could easily be mistaken for the dominant wing, because the sexual energy tends to flow in a manner similar to the energy of the wing. A Nine with a One wing would therefore appear more One-like and a Nine with Eight might be mistaken for an Eight.

    The central conflict for these Nines will still be in the realm of close intimate relationships and these Nines will have many of the same issues and challenges as the sexual/self-pres Nines.
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  8. #17
    Type 5w4

    Maybe I might be able to figure this out now. :)
    I pretty much carpet thanked you before starting to read more than the intro,
    but it seemed well deserved.
    Bookmarked for lonely nights of self-doubt. XD
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  9. #18

    Naranjo Subtypes Descriptions

    Enneagram One

    Self-Preservation: Worry. Obsession about details, about getting it right, fussy someone who never
    ceases to check and double-check ("Will enough people come to the banquet?" "Will the car have
    enough gas?"). Covert anger, covert death wishes (e.g., if your son is late, anger gets translated by
    reaction formation into "I was so concerned!").

    Sexual: Zeal. In Spanish, "zeal" means "the animal in heat." The most free of the One subtypes. A
    passion for being a righteous person (vs. getting it right or being right). Translates into the attempt to be
    perfect "so I will be loved by Mommy or by someone else." A passion to think right in order to give
    brilliance to your being. Sex with a little invasive anger; may have sadistic fantasies. More Eight-like.
    Martin Luther historically broke through the belief in God's good work. "Good works are not enough... you
    have to believe and have faith." He studied day and night, came from a very poor background and had
    habits of austerity.

    Social: The term Nonadaptation has been used, but I prefer Rigidity, although it's disadvantageous in that
    it doesn't make us think of a "passion." A kind of inertia of your own "way," e.g., the Englishman taking
    tea in Colonial India with the little finger lifted, and a disrespect for Indian tradition, "bringing civilization
    to these "savages." A very narrow endorsement of your own values. Like the minister in Hawaii who
    wants to teach the Hawaiians their ways are sinful. Self-righteousness. The Inquisition had a lot of Ones
    (and Sixes). A passion for being right ("I'm right and you're wrong"). More externally punitive.

    Enneagram Two

    Self-Preservation: Egocentric ("Me first"). Infantile, like a child ("I am the most important thing"). It's not
    power, but the child's feeling of being privileged; e.g., the wife in David Copperfield who didn't know how
    to pay the maid, who put bells on the dog, and the Accounts book ended up in the dog's house. ("Please
    don't get angry with me, I only wanted to help!"). Ineffective help. Not wanting to grow up. Too soft, too
    much needing protection. A Four-ish Two. More openly dependent. Their pride resides as a child in
    "being the favorite in Daddy's or Mommy's eyes."

    Sexual: Seduction (also called Invincibility or Conquest). Every Two is seductive in one way or the other,
    but this subtype is the specialist. Life becomes focused on success in seducing. A woman of this subtype
    can lead a man around by the nose, even an Eight male. More imaginative, more original, shows a
    seeming independence; dependent in the moment of bonding, but more Eight-ish, wild, creative,
    adventuresome, quick to detach if not loved. "Femme Fatale." They "eat up" what they want. Casanova
    once seduced someone in jail through the bars, once someone passing on the street, but he could never
    get interested in a relationship beyond a few days. He was not interested in the person, he was interested
    in the process of seduction. Collecting conquests, as if an insecurity about himself led him to prove it
    again and again. "I am because I fuck!" The sexual element of the Two needs an element of freedom.
    So Casanova was an adventurer; he tricked people with money, was a speculator, con man (e.g., old

    Social: Ambition. The most pushy of Twos, like the Prestige Three. Egocentric in a completely different
    way, seduction through achievement or semblance of achievement, focus on power, More
    propagandizing (where the Three is more sharp, witty), more flamboyant, makes more claims. A little
    colder, not so warm as the other Two subtypes.

    Enneagram Three

    Self-Preservation: Security. In their obsession for security they make themselves sure of themselves.
    These Threes are too sure of themselves. They reject the experience of insecurity. They seem to be
    there may be a sexual issue but beneath it is a search for security. Very cautious. Over-confident, the
    image of the person who "has it all together." The first time I saw this type I was in bed with a married
    woman whose husband came home and began to walk along the corridor toward the room, and she said,
    "Take it easy, he never comes into this room" and I was surprised she could be so at ease.

    Sexual: Masculinity/Femininity. Sex appeal, attractive image (more a physical image). The man is
    "strong" but not the same strength of impulse, more "looking" rough, like the Marlboro Man. As if the
    more the person is dependent on the image or identifies with the image, the less freedom there is to be
    something else; e.g., being so attached to lipstick you could not go out on the street without it. Because
    of the connection with the Six Strength and Beauty subtype, those issues will show up also. Seeks to be
    attractive to the other.

    Social: Prestige. Here you might say that prestige is the wish that your values are acknowledged, seen,
    recognized. That's normal; every child has a need for his or her value to be seen; if there's a wound there
    so that would develop into a passion, vanity is a distortion. It's not only driving you because you have to
    work for love, but that you are pursuing values that are not your own values; e.g., in societies where "fat"
    women are more marriageable. The Little Prince said, "Grown-ups always ask 'How much money do you
    make?' They never ask 'Do you like butterflies?'" Seeking to be attractive to the whole world
    (conspicuous consumption). If you spend enough you will be known as a rich person, a successful
    person. Attracts more money—money is tied to "reputation." It is said of Jacque Onassis that her G-spot
    was in the shopping mall! Another woman at a furrier's trying on a mink coat and saying, "Don't you have
    another coat? This one is below my means."

    Enneagram Four

    Self-Preservation: Tenacious. Different from other Fours (who are very oral in their drive to get
    something good from the outside). More self-sacrificing, more self-contained. A denial of envy, trouble
    finding envy in themselves, partly because of the descriptions in vogue when the Enneagram first
    became known. So afraid of dependency, of being hurt, they become counterdependent, autonomous.
    Self-demanding ("No matter what it may cost..."). Instead of demanding from the outside world, they
    demand from themselves. Self-devouring; they can turn on themselves with cruelty—"I'll make myself do
    it!" Van Gogh is an example. His painting became a kind of religion and he chose a life of great poverty
    "for his art." He sold one painting in his lifetime, yet recently the Sunflower sold for $54 million. (Gaugin
    was an Eight.) This subtype doesn't play the victim; volunteers as martyr without exhibiting it, more of a

    Sexual: Competition (Hate). Competitive anger ("I want that, too!"). Where the Social Four makes
    comparisons and feels "little," the Sexual Four experiences envy in the sense of denying their inferiority
    ("I should have it. It's unfair that I don't!") An arrogant position, a covering up a little bit like the Two
    covering up their Four connection; e.g., Baudelaire's mother remarried when he was eight years old and
    he made such a fuss about being replaced by a stepfather that he ended up being put out on the streets.
    His position was always demanding and arrogant. He transformed the feeling of misunderstood genius
    into art in his poetry. Angry envy. The word "envy" in Latin has to do with vision, with seeing, with the
    "evil eye," wanting something bad to happen to the enemy. "Borderline 3 Personality" describes the
    sense of what we'd call a Sexual Four. Very intensely desiring. You want something so much you push
    until you are rejected. You have so much desire to be accepted you act invasively. The fantasy that you
    would be rejected leads to the very behavior that gets you rejected.

    Social: Shame. Social Fours develop mechanisms for calling negative attention to themselves. The
    shyest of the Four subtypes. There's a shame about desiring, about "loving." Proust is filled with the
    Social envy of the person dazzled by the "aristocracy," who has a passion for being "in", who wants to be
    included, to receive their favors. A feeling of "I'm nothing," "I'm ugly," "I'm silly." Fours in general want to
    absorb through their gaze, but this is especially true for the Social Four.

    Enneagram Five

    Self-Preservation: Lair. Metaphorically, hiding inside a cave or castle with thick walls, creating a private
    space. More sadness, more suffering, more yearning, more nostalgia. Hidden because of inability to
    confront, not wanting to show their non-social side. Rebellious. Wanting to be private, not knowing what
    to say, not able to "flow." Shy, socially awkward. The most avoidant. Disconnected from the body. A kind
    of zombie obedience. Anger is perceived subliminally as something "dirty" (Fives have issues in general
    with anger). Misanthropy, generalized disdain of ordinary mortals. The Unibomber. Fives that have come
    to power and become cruel. The Roman Emperor Iberius might have been a Self-Preservation Five. He
    chose not to live in Rome but on an island on the river. He was fond of torturing people and liked to be
    present at the torture.

    Sexual: Confidence (passion to confide). Looks for the ultimate in another person. A little more assertive
    and with more feeling than other Fives. Chopin was verbally curtailed and prone to feeling oppressed by
    social gatherings and by the only relationship with a woman in his life. He almost couldn't "take" any
    relationship, but there was an outpouring in his music. Someone who puts own self into animals, into
    activity (e.g., Najinsky). (Tells story of female Five in a workshop who wanted him to work with her but
    Naranjo was exhausted; she said "Maybe one of these nights we could go for a walk in the moonlight,"
    like an excess of confidence in a specific person: "This person has to be somebody who cares so much
    for me that I become the one and I'm confident in that relationship.")

    Social: Totem. Quite cold. Overidealization of persons as being after super-human things, beyond heroworship—
    may be ideas, systems (not just people)—searching for the absolute. Sometimes they think
    they may be Threes because of the impoverishment. Searching for the Absolute (e.g., Philosopher's

    Enneagram Six

    Self-Preservation: Warmth (harmless). Very soft, "See how nice I am?" Like an animal showing its soft
    underbelly, "I'm no threat." Completely the opposite of Strength and Beauty; here it's based on
    convincing the other, "I'm completely unarmed, very soft, so you can drop your own arms." "I don't bite,
    so you don't have to bite me." "I'm completely harmless." To show that you are harmless, you have to
    bottle up a lot of anger, to seek someone who can protect you. There are polarities of strength and
    weakness, although you don't speak of "weakness," you speak of life as an exchange of affection. (Points
    to Six in the group who is always smiling and says, "Your face says, 'See how nice I am?'")

    Sexual: Strength and Beauty. The strength is a strength of impulse, a knowledge that if sexual life is
    going to operate there has to be some kind of voltage, and let's say that fear is interfering with that
    process. It's as if there would be compensation. A drive to make it unfold, as if fear were not there. A
    "push" forward as if "You're not going to hold me back!" "Counterphobic" is an alternative term for
    Strength and Beauty. They might be body builders, but women can be just as strong as men. There
    might be an ability to stand by one's ideals or being confrontive with an element of moral integrity. But
    even the men have a thing about "beauty" – the word for "beauty" in the Latin language is bellum, which
    comes from war - so it has something to do with aggression, passion about beauty; e.g., Michaelangelo
    was a counterphobic Six who would speak up, not let himself be bossed around. (Tells story of female
    friend who is an analyst and who said to a taxi driver, "Slower please!" and Naranjo remarked "You have
    more authority than I" because there was command in her statement. He commented "I'm shyer than you
    are," and she replied "It's not courage, it's panic.") The kind of strength that Pop-Eye has with spinach is
    a natural instinct that’s "boosted," an element of intention that has become automatic. Very strong
    people, powerful men and women who typically don't have a very happy sex life. They can be abrasive
    but underneath shy and sensitive and not very fulfilled in relationships. Here, you harm yourself by
    developing your physical muscles or your psychological "muscles" in your capacity to intimidate—a kind
    of bulldog. For the sexual Six "the best defense is aggression." The real courage is to drop the fire-arms,
    to develop more of the "wisdom of insecurity," to be able to say "I'm scared."

    Social: Duty. This subtype is about being protected, being in a warm environment, which is a different
    strategy from Strength and Beauty. In being a Social Six, you need rules and you become too dependent
    on rules. The world is your stage, the rules are universal. This subtype is sometimes called "dutiful," but
    is really not very dutiful; it brings up so much rebellion and sometimes they pretend to be much more
    dutiful than they are. It's only the driven quality that's experienced as a super-ego. It's authority based on
    a system. “Hitler’s henchmen.”

    Enneagram Seven

    Family (doesn't need to be "blood" family). Very earthy, sensuous, focused on tastes,
    colors, tactile stimulation; a little cynical like the Eight, not so gullible; counting on one another is
    important; very tender, family man. Pain is not felt directly; transforms shit to cream (then might say,
    "Not enough cream!"). More for oneself, more opportunistic. Good at business. Epicurean (also applies a
    little bit to the Social subtype). A bit more selfish. (Tells story of man who put ads in the papers in France
    offering financial advice for widows at a time when it was difficult for women to invest, when they were
    required to have a lawyer or some mediation. This man offered his "fatherly" service and a little
    romance, took them to his country house, then poisoned them, cut them into pieces and burned them.
    He was a very respected, law-abiding citizen, who "only did it to get money for my childrens' education.")

    Sexual: Suggestibility. More extraterrestrial; actually not very sexual—more poetic, more the dreamer.
    The "charmed charmer." Prestidigitator. More narcissistic. Like being in love, more enthusiastic
    ("Tomorrow my enthusiasm might take me in another direction"), mania. Not so much into pleasures of
    this world, more extraterrestrial. May not be very sexual in the literal sense.

    Social: Service. More ambitious, Six-ish, willing to accept limitations in service of recognition; also very
    helpful/giving of love in search of recognition; sweetness in exchange for service. Creating an imaginary
    "perfectionism" (Dickens almost killed himself with hard work). "Good people," do-gooders. Echoes the
    Two a bit, "seducing" the world. A bit of an Epicurean, a sense of sensationalism (Walt Whitman).
    Monkey mind.

    Enneagram Eight

    Self-Preservation: Satisfaction. Less known about this subtype because they don't want to talk about it.
    More Machiavellian. You do what you need to do to get what you want. More anti-social. Great desire for
    privacy, more Five-ish, less feeling. More contained, less visible as an Eight.

    Sexual: Possession/Obsession. Very angry and dramatic. More emotional, hysterical, in the broader
    sense (more bravado). The will to take hold of the other and make them do what you want, tyrannical;
    passion for possession and surrender (like the Praying Mantis). "Going whole hog including the postage,"
    full involvement, more "sadistic." More angry, more liking to humiliate or insult, sometimes to cause
    suffering (e.g., Stalin or Hussein).

    Social: Complicity (friendship without judgment). Easy to confuse with counterphobic Six, but more
    body/motor focused (where the Six in more "in the head'). Harder to recognize, not apparently angry but
    very friendly. Key element = "accompliceship" or survival through alliance. More "narcissistic."
    Seductiveness makes it possible to be an Eight in the world. Overwhelms out of selfishness,

    Enneagram Nine

    Self-Preservation: Appetite. The "heavy" ones. Feel heavy, may take a lot to fill a void. Serves sloth
    through appetite, but "eating" of a different order (obesity can be a drive, a passion; e.g., Sancho Panza).
    Fusion with own body where yearning for affection, "doing without" is somaticized. Very concrete,
    interested in concrete things (e.g., a piece of land). "I eat (or "I shop" or "I collect"), therefore I am."
    Yearning for love turns into something wider than just eating, like "having" instead of "being." More
    aggressive, but doesn't know it (steam roller). Can be invasive, talkative ("epic tale"), can smother out of
    need to give. Merges with things—environment, pets, etc. In spite of the Nine being so generous, it's still
    this concreteness where value resides—just wants to breathe!

    Sexual: Union. The "weak" ones. The most tender of the Nine subtypes. Becomes conscious of self
    through the other, finds "being" through the other (merges with one person). Confluence, fusion with
    mother; with others can become unconscious of the fusion; symbiosis (living too much through the
    other), confusion (real contact would be awareness of differences). "Steam-rolled." Not original instinctual
    situation where at a literal level it's a coming together in a healthy way; a "mockery" of togetherness vs.
    coming together out of individuation.

    Social: Participation. Here are the gregarious Nines. "Union", but with a group—family, team,
    organization, nation, humankind. Undeveloped, very provincial, narrow view—a kind of "peasant"
    mentality. (The Social Six is more a hero-worshiper, more hierarchical.) Merges with group, not in
    contact with own being; deriving sense of being not from contact with own being but through feeling the
    value of the group you're in.. ("As an individual, I'm nothing, but as a group I'm very powerful.") A little
    movement seems like a lot.

    N.B. Naranjo and RH's approach to instinctual variants (which Narano terms Subtypes) are clearly not identical. I will touch upon this in the next segment. I'll address the differences between the two, and I'll comment further on how the subtypes/variants form an essential element of the ego-defense system.
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  10. #19
    Type 6w7

    I keep (idly) wondering if I have a different stacking, the likely being sp/so, but the soc blind spot sounds exactly like me, every part of it. The only thing is the "lone wolf" part, which I've developed a bit of a flexibility to and my 6w7 core modifies a little. (For example, I cooperate well when I feel comfortable / respected, but I go off on my own so often that other people ask if I have a secret project or something.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    SO blind spot - finds it hard to concern self with another’s agenda, dismissive. They may feel that connecting socially will cost them something and consider interactions to be draining. Would rather act as a lone force, lone wolves, I'm-on-my-own attitude, feeling that they don't need others and others don't need them. Fear of being emotionally crippled, being unable to connect with many people, self-conscious of being socially ungracious. It’s hard to take in the gifts and generosity of others. Projected fear - if I ignore others, they will ignore me. There’s an expectation of humiliation. A desire not to impose self on people in fear of not being wanted or being klutzy.
    The sp/so description(s) didn't sound much like me, but the sp/sx one(s) did. All of Naranjo's head-type SP descriptions (so 5sp, 6sp, and 7sp) sound very like me, but I think 5sp is closer to my outward "depressive / stressed state." Normally I'm very much 6sp with a tiny flavoring of sx.

    Thanks, @Boss
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    Type 8w7

    Quote Originally Posted by Inguz View Post
    This is awesome and very helpful. According to this I ought to be sx/so, not sx/sp as I previously thought.
    Let me know when you want it sticked
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