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  1. #1
    Type 1w9


    Blind-spot Over Focus: Thoughts/Experiences?

    One of the many reasons that people within the typology community tend to mistype is due to the blind spot over focus, when the instinctual variant that is at the bottom of one's stack is overused in an unhealthy manner because it is not valued. Still, because it is being overly focused on, it can sometimes be mistaken for the dominant function. Here are some examples of typical behavior just to start conversation:

    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences

    sp blinds: Going on crazy health adventures/diets, overindulging in comfort and refusing to go outside their comfort zone

    so blinds:
    Going on rampages about why society sucks and becoming resentful, focusing on rejection

    Of course, you can tell which blind spot I know most about just from the detail I put into this...

    ANYHOW, conversation questions:

    1) Have you ever experienced blind-spot over focus or know anyone else who has? Describe your experience.

    2) What other behaviors do you think could be added to this list?


    For me, I've experienced sx over focus through becoming somewhat hedonistic in searching for experience. I don't think I went to crazy with it though, I'm pretty out of touch with my sx. I can almost relate to the so blind spot fixation, though that's just because my so is unhealthy. I've seen other sx blinds do the relationship thing though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krayfish View Post
    One of the many reasons that people within the typology community tend to mistype is due to the blind spot over focus, when the instinctual variant that is at the bottom of one's stack is overused in an unhealthy manner because it is not valued. Still, because it is being overly focused on, it can sometimes be mistaken for the dominant function. Here are some examples of typical behavior just to start conversation:

    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences

    sp blinds: Going on crazy health adventures/diets, overindulging in comfort and refusing to go outside their comfort zone

    so blinds:
    Going on rampages about why society sucks and becoming resentful, focusing on rejection

    Of course, you can tell which blind spot I know most about just from the detail I put into this...

    ANYHOW, conversation questions:

    1) Have you ever experienced blind-spot over focus or know anyone else who has? Describe your experience.

    2) What other behaviors do you think could be added to this list?


    For me, I've experienced sx over focus through becoming somewhat hedonistic in searching for experience. I don't think I went to crazy with it though, I'm pretty out of touch with my sx. I can almost relate to the so blind spot fixation, though that's just because my so is unhealthy. I've seen other sx blinds do the relationship thing though.
    1.) Yes, I have experienced blindspot over focus, and know a few people who have. My experience with Sp blind overfocus is basically becoming all too aware of my lack of practicality; I will start to worry about things like my mental health, bills, what practical skills I have, etc. It's like coming to realization to although I can pursue whatever interests me until I die, connect with countless people on an intimate level of friendship, but I'm hopeless at taking care of myself. Like do I know where to go to pay my bills? (No, I usually ask other people to do it for me, or they do it because I'm caught up in something else). Do I know how to eat healthy? (No, I eat whatever I can find, but only after it becomes borderline impossible to function and I need to in order to continue doing what I want). It makes me take a step back, eat salads for a week straight to 'straighten out' my eating habits, clean everything in sight, catch up on my hygiene, and compulsively check what I have to make sure it's enough. I also become obsessed with removing anything that seems toxic to my health, which sometimes falls into the category of dismissing any sort of negativity because I feel it's holding me back/hurting me.

    2.) I can't say I have any additions, unfortunately. But if I think of any, I'll be sure to edit this.

  3. #3
    Type 7w8

    Quote Originally Posted by Krayfish View Post
    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences
    Guilty. That's my life atm.
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  5. #4
    Type 2


    so blind would be mine. I think I would let myself get resentful towards others and society for being rejected for being different. I have a tender spot about people who are rigid in how they think people should be behave and are judgmental towards those who behave "wrongly." I still tend to see society as very judgmental in nature, towards those who dare socialize differently from the norm. I also think my resentment is justified when I see parents who would rather see their children spread deadly diseases than, God forbid! be autistic.

    I've learned to cool it down, over time, however. It's still really difficult for me to not obsess over the one person, whom I think I might have offended, or who doesn't like me or whatever. I've had to teach myself to not take it so personally. I struggle with group dynamics, and I don't think it's something that I'll ever be able to have a great deal of confidence in; I feel like I can lose control of a situation very quickly, which can make me uncomfortable. The best thing I can do, in groups is to act calm and to learn to focus on one person at a time.
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  6. #5
    Type 2w1

    I think this makes a lot of sense, think I'm sp-blind but could be sx-blind, sp-blind makes most intuitive sense to me though

    Feel like I can fall into this horrible sp cycle that feels like death, there was one time particularly in my life that really...all I was doing was going to different hotels and restaurants but it all seemed so difficult, it was just a lot of wayward indulgence (which I have tended towards in general in the past few years, hence gaining weight and etc) but this was on a whole different level, I was so stressed I guess for various reasons and I was over-focusing on sp like...almost all I could conceive of was certain sp things, think I'd run out of resources in so and sx and was left with the dregs, and it felt like dregs, wish I could convey the feeling, just somehow spending ALL my time doing simple living things, not wanting to go outdoors, feeling protective of my things and myself and wanting to take risks, substantially not that notable I guess but :/ unpleasant for me, almost solipsistic existence

    And feel like I easily overindulge in sp things, like eating too much (of course I could be sp first), think it comes of not really valuing it so not putting things in their proper place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krayfish View Post
    One of the many reasons that people within the typology community tend to mistype is due to the blind spot over focus, when the instinctual variant that is at the bottom of one's stack is overused in an unhealthy manner because it is not valued. Still, because it is being overly focused on, it can sometimes be mistaken for the dominant function. Here are some examples of typical behavior just to start conversation:

    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences

    sp blinds: Going on crazy health adventures/diets, overindulging in comfort and refusing to go outside their comfort zone

    so blinds:
    Going on rampages about why society sucks and becoming resentful, focusing on rejection

    Of course, you can tell which blind spot I know most about just from the detail I put into this...

    ANYHOW, conversation questions:

    1) Have you ever experienced blind-spot over focus or know anyone else who has? Describe your experience.

    2) What other behaviors do you think could be added to this list?

    I'm still not exactly sure of my instincts, besides that I'm not social-last, but it's really interesting you brought this up, since I've been having the same thoughts lately. I was wondering if one's blind-spot can function in the same way as the inferior function does in MBTI with how one can be "in the grip" (what it's usually referred to, if you've seen that) of it, because of too much neglect, and almost could see this as the reason I type as sp-dom, because I really don't feel like I'm very sp. Though, there's also the theory that one is "neurotic" in your dominant instinct, which is probably true, but I also feel like that over-focus can also make one better at it, than someone who has it as their blindspot. For instance, while my sp/sx friend is pretty worried about health and comfort (which I usually am not, until it becomes a problem), he knows all these things that I don't about what are the right foods to eat, running his business/work, managing his finances, and I'm just pretty clueless on all of that. I usually ask him for advice.

    Anyways, I could see both cases where I'm neurotic in sp, or having it as my blind-spot, and how that can look similarly. I really don't notice being sp (or again maybe this is Si ), as I said, until it becomes a problem, and I feel like this focus on sp has come more as a result of stress in recent years, when I never used to be this way. It's hard to tell if now this is neurotic sp or sp that is a result of years of neglect (Well, I've neglected sx for years too), and now I'm over-focusing on it, which looks neurotic too, which seems more likely, because I know how bad I am at it, and it's still something I never learn from.

    Of these, I could see sp-blind fitting me too. I started working out recently, and I notice how that is really helpful for me, whereas I didn't do this before, didn't even think to do this, and still isn't a big priority to me and forget to do it too. Before this, I would usually always over-work myself (which could be neurotic sp), running on empty, and I've burned myself out, where I've had to take even years off to just recuperate. I also have become more home-bodyish and reclusive, when I used to be fairly outgoing and involved. I wouldn't say I've ever been a very adventurous person, though.

    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences


    sp blinds: Going on crazy health adventures/diets, overindulging in comfort and refusing to go outside their comfort zone


    so blinds: Going on rampages about why society sucks and becoming resentful, focusing on rejection
    At the same time, can't really say I've ever seen that sx-blind behavior in me, and it seems like that would be more how sx actually manifests, which may again point to me being sx-last. I don't have a problem with over-sharing either. I've also seen so-blind behavior in me with being resentful of society, but I don't think it's on the level of so-blind with rampages. I've seen social-blind behavior in my friend, but think it might even manifest as becoming more interested in society and their role in it? I think this is what happened with Louis CK, who I think is sp/sx, and how he offered his opinion on Trump running and wrote this e-mail, but it came off not as "smooth" (because it still is a blind-spot) even though I don't disagree with it, and he ended up apologizing for it because of all the backlash it received.

    It's still pretty rampage-ish, but also socially-involved, when he usually isn't: Louis C.K. on Donald Trump: ‘He’s an Insane Bigot, He Is Dangerous’ – Variety

    Then he said this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ad3d790f88b6

    I mean, this right here is very social-last, and realizing he was out of his element:

    “It’s a messy thing, you know? It’s how I was feeling at the time and I said it — to a lot of people. It just was more people than I thought were going to read it.”

    I’m like, ‘Oh God,'” C.K recalled. “That’s not what I do for a living. That’s not what I’m trying to accomplish.”
    Anyways, not really sure what to make of it, and would appreciate any thoughts, so thanks for bringing the topic up! I think there's some truth to it for sure.
    Last edited by mistakenforstranger; 04-18-2018 at 11:58 PM.
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  8. #7
    Type 8w7

    Quote Originally Posted by Krayfish View Post

    sx blinds: Becomes creepily obsessive about a person, relationship, or topic, oversharing of personal information, going to the extremes to find stimulating experiences
    Agreed. SX-last is basically the bald guy(s). That is me; almost everyday. The baldies. Secret service. Alert/attentive to the group behavior, stalkerish. Spills all the beans with a flat face, if needed. Stands out; but blends it by dress code of the other. Likes hanging out in an environment with no direct excitement, but in high possibility of the alarm going off. On edge. Bored easily, so they joined the SS.

    SX is still there; in the 3rd degree. It manifests like lingerie under the suits.

    Last edited by Catwalk; 04-19-2018 at 12:06 AM.
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  9. #8
    Type 1w9


    Quote Originally Posted by mistakenforstranger View Post
    I'm still not exactly sure of my instincts, besides that I'm not social-last, but it's really interesting you brought this up, since I've been having the same thoughts lately. I was wondering if one's blind-spot can function in the same way as the inferior function does in MBTI with how one can be "in the grip" (what it's usually referred to, if you've seen that) of it, because of too much neglect, and almost could see this as the reason I type as sp-dom, because I really don't feel like I'm very sp. Though, there's also the theory that one is "neurotic" in your dominant instinct, which is probably true, but I also feel like that over-focus can also make one better at it, than someone who has it as their blindspot. For instance, while my sp/sx friend is pretty worried about health and comfort (which I usually am not, until it becomes a problem), he knows all these things that I don't about what are the right foods to eat, running his business/work, managing his finances, and I'm just pretty clueless on all of that. I usually ask him for advice.
    No yeah, I had this problem as well which is sort of the reason I decided to make this thread (outside of the fact that I was genuinely curious about how this manifested outside of books). I can't really relate to the sx blind things much either unless I stretch reality a little bit, so I was sort of curious to see what other people thought. Idk, I did a visual typing thing and so/sx was suggested for me and, while I don't really put much trust in at least internet visual typing, I do question if sp/so is actually the correct fit. My mom is sort of like your friend in that respect (sp/so I presume, though I wouldn't be shocked if she ended up being sp/sx). Going off the "neurotic/obsessive first function" theory (which I wholeheartedly agree with), when she is feeling insecure and uncomfortable, her mind immediately goes to focusing on what's wrong with the environment or her health. Being as practical and good with sp stuff as she is, I find her sp dominance to be incredibly obvious. Me on the other hand, while I'm quite neurotic and focused on avoiding physical harm, tend to question myself/identity and how I'm coming across when I become uncomfortable. I question if my self preserving tendencies are actually just coming from being 6 core or just generally being an anxious mess rather than sp dominance. Despite my weak relation to so, I could very well be so dom... Idk :/

    All in all though, what you mention about yourself does suggest the possibility of lower sp. Have you considered so/sp ever? If you don't really feel strongly towards sp, I could see sp blind for you from that alone.


    Quote Originally Posted by mistakenforstranger View Post
    At the same time, can't really say I've ever seen that sx-blind behavior in me, and it seems like that would be more how sx actually manifests, which may again point to me being sx-last. I don't have a problem with over-sharing either. I've also seen so-blind behavior in me with being resentful of society, but I don't think it's on the level of so-blind with rampages. I've seen social-blind behavior in my friend, but think it might even manifest as becoming more interested in society and their role in it? I think this is what happened with Louis CK, who I think is sp/sx, and how he offered his opinion on Trump running and wrote this e-mail, but it came off not as "smooth" (because it still is a blind-spot) even though I don't disagree with it, and he ended up apologizing for it because of all the backlash it received.

    It's still pretty rampage-ish, but also socially-involved, when he usually isn't: Louis C.K. on Donald Trump: ‘He’s an Insane Bigot, He Is Dangerous’ – Variety

    Then he said this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ad3d790f88b6

    I mean, this right here is very social-last, and realizing he was out of his element:

    Anyways, not really sure what to make of it, and would appreciate any thoughts, so thanks for bringing the topic up! I think there's some truth to it for sure.
    That's actually really interesting. I'm not really familiar with the guy, but I'd probably agree that that lies somewhere in the so blind are (at least from looking at his response to the whole thing). So blinds struggle to see themselves in terms of the group/the masses, leading more influence characters to not realize how much "power/influence" they have on others (that's the wrong words obviously, but I can't think of any better way to phrase it at the moment). That seems pretty much exactly what happened here.
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  10. #9
    Type 6w7

    Can't say I relate. When I'm stressed, my So tends to go into overdrive rather than Sx. I start to obsess over whether or not I'm "doing enough" or "participating in the world". If anything it makes me put Sx even more on the backburner.
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  11. #10
    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by Krayfish View Post

    so blinds:
    Going on rampages about why society sucks and becoming resentful, focusing on rejection
    Uh, yah. I do this. And I always have done this. And sometimes people have said I must be So-first or second because of it, but I really don't think so.

    Have you ever experienced blind-spot over focus or know anyone else who has? Describe your experience.

    Honestly I think it's sort of a way for me to feel, idk, vaguely connected to the world and social dynamics whereas usually I just don't at all. I guess sometimes I want to feel I have some purpose in something bigger, but I can only seem to do that by analyzing from a removed or abstract vantage point. I can get involved sometimes, in activism, for this reason as well, as if to compensate for my general withdrawn cluelessness and ineffectiveness.

    But it is so draining for me to get involved. So instead I rant and write. I try to avoid navigating the power dynamics behind all of it, and I have no idea how to use status (my own or others') to make a point or get anywhere... nor do I have the desire.
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