Am I a 4w5 or a 9w1? (ISFP)

Am I a 4w5 or a 9w1? (ISFP)

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This is a discussion on Am I a 4w5 or a 9w1? (ISFP) within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; I think internally I'm more of a 4w5, but my actual behavior is very 9w1. I'm also an ISFP. Someone ...

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    Type 9w1

    Am I a 4w5 or a 9w1? (ISFP)

    I think internally I'm more of a 4w5, but my actual behavior is very 9w1. I'm also an ISFP.

    Someone on reddit asked me to post my fears:

    "Not entirely sure, but I think these:

    Being attacked in any shape or form.

    I tend to be careful and polite a lot around people (so I don't trigger them), and share my thoughts, interests and opinions only to those I'm close with (so the wrong people can't mock, attack or make fun of them), and even then I can be quite selective. I also tend to avoid conflict and hide my anger, even if I get very angry (because they might also be angry and they could be way more vocal and upfront about it than I am, and that could escalate it), I will usually just keep it to myself and just have negative, aggressive thoughts aimed at them.

    Change.

    I'm somewhat afraid to act "out of character", basically do and say things people normally wouldn't expect of me. Not sure why, though."

    He then said I was likely a 9w1. I do relate to the actual behavior of a 9w1 (I also tend to adapt to the person I'm talking to, like a chameleon, which seems to be a 9 trait also), like I described above. However, I also really relate to 4 (and 4w5 as an extension).
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    Type 8w9

    9... maybe 3 due to your 'chameleon' comment

    9's dont adapt to people, they mirror them and their energy which subconsciously creates (assumed) positive report... my 9 friends say they feel like they are a blank TV monitor and everybody else is a TV monitor with programming... they just reflect back.

    9's are out of touch with their anger and in general suppress their emotions , they deny it because anger could be seen as too emotional and would drive people away, triggering the 9's worst fear - to be abandoned or to be in conflict with someone they care about (disintegrated at 6 - fear based, 'support circle' based)

  3. #3
    Type 9w1

    What a des-bearing dilemma.
    Sorry. Nice avatar.

    I face this same problem quite a lot, in fact everything you've described sounds a LOT like me, but ultimately it boils down to whether your need for peace or your need for identity wins out more. Personally I'm tempted to say 9w1. What you need to remember is that as an ISFP you're Fi-dominant, which can instil behaviours or mindsets in you that are atypical for the usual descriptions of 9 and more stereotypically 4-ish, but that holy idea of peace or identity is always the core thing to focus on. From what you've said here, when someone treads on your values you hide your feelings for the sake of keeping the peace, to avoid conflict and ensure the two of you stay on good terms. That's much more 9 than 4.

    A 4w5 would typically respond to what they might perceive as a personal attack on their values emotively. 4s are very unlikely to hide their feelings, their emotions are a driving force to them that energises them, similar to how anger energises 8s. To a 4, their emotions are a core part of who they are, and they need the world to know who they are, so a 4 that bottles up their emotions to keep the peace would be like a vegetarian lion. It's just not in their nature. If you've upset them, they'll make sure you know. Usually.

    9w1s are typically described as being numb to their emotions, and this absolutely isn't true at all. I'm sure it's true of many 9s, but remember 9 is one of the most common enneatypes for INFP, and a Fi-dom that's oblivious to their feelings just doesn't make sense. You might have an emotional rollercoaster going on on the inside, you may find all kinds of awful feelings bubbling up inside you directed at a person that's upset you, and maybe you hold on to it for a long time, but: You bottle it up, put on a friendly face and act as though it isn't there to keep the peace. That throws you straight to the 9w1 side of the fence in my eyes.

    If you believe in tritypes, then you're probably a 9w1 with a strong 4w5 fix. Like me! Welcome to the party.

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    Type 9w1

    Quote Originally Posted by nablur View Post
    9's are out of touch with their anger and in general suppress their emotions , they deny it because anger could be seen as too emotional and would drive people away, triggering the 9's worst fear - to be abandoned or to be in conflict with someone they care about (disintegrated at 6 - fear based, 'support circle' based)
    Yeah, that's the point I don't really agree with. While I do hide most of my emotions, I'm very in touch with them and can definitely be hateful towards someone. They just won't be able to tell, since I keep it hidden, but the thoughts are definitely there. My main motivation, like I said, is to 'protect' myself and my values from attacks, whether physical or (almost always) verbal. Then again, 4s are very likely to make the other person know they're angry at them, which I absolutely avoid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzasafari View Post
    What a des-bearing dilemma.
    Sorry. Nice avatar.
    Thanks! You have a nice one too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzasafari View Post
    I face this same problem quite a lot, in fact everything you've described sounds a LOT like me, but ultimately it boils down to whether your need for peace or your need for identity wins out more. Personally I'm tempted to say 9w1. What you need to remember is that as an ISFP you're Fi-dominant, which can instil behaviours or mindsets in you that are atypical for the usual descriptions of 9 and more stereotypically 4-ish, but that holy idea of peace or identity is always the core thing to focus on. From what you've said here, when someone treads on your values you hide your feelings for the sake of keeping the peace, to avoid conflict and ensure the two of you stay on good terms. That's much more 9 than 4.

    A 4w5 would typically respond to what they might perceive as a personal attack on their values emotively. 4s are very unlikely to hide their feelings, their emotions are a driving force to them that energises them, similar to how anger energises 8s. To a 4, their emotions are a core part of who they are, and they need the world to know who they are, so a 4 that bottles up their emotions to keep the peace would be like a vegetarian lion. It's just not in their nature. If you've upset them, they'll make sure you know. Usually.

    9w1s are typically described as being numb to their emotions, and this absolutely isn't true at all. I'm sure it's true of many 9s, but remember 9 is one of the most common enneatypes for INFP, and a Fi-dom that's oblivious to their feelings just doesn't make sense. You might have an emotional rollercoaster going on on the inside, you may find all kinds of awful feelings bubbling up inside you directed at a person that's upset you, and maybe you hold on to it for a long time, but: You bottle it up, put on a friendly face and act as though it isn't there to keep the peace. That throws you straight to the 9w1 side of the fence in my eyes.

    If you believe in tritypes, then you're probably a 9w1 with a strong 4w5 fix. Like me! Welcome to the party.
    I guess that does make me a 9w1, then. I really relate to everything you're saying, thanks!


 

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