This is a discussion on Sakinorva Rheti test within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Ocean Helm This isn't comfortable ?...
Other questions leave me wondering what context, or how much context I should ascribe to it. #116 is a great example: "Being of service and attending to the needs of others has been a high priority for me" OR "Finding alternative ways of seeing and doing things has been a high priority for me." Context assumes B means primarily social, except that it IS a high priority to me to see/do things "differently," but that context is largely based on keeping an open mind, not on adapting to the social situation of the moment.
Pretty typical results for me: 5w4 or 9w1 INTP/INxP, because obviously the only people who do these things are 459 INxxs, and all IxTx are 5s. I never test as my proper type(s), though, so I'm a little jaded, sorry xDI dislike the MBTI's description of J/P. I'm not as big into debating and I blend systems a lot... But just to weigh in a little, I'm convinced that there's many misconceptions of Introverted Perception CFs. I see myself very much in the "IxxP temperament," which makes complete sense to me because I'm an N-dom. I'm sure there are INxJs (Ni-dom) which relate to the "IJ temperament," but they should be fewer. They're probably mistyped, a lot of J-doms posing as P-doms (the opposite no doubt exists, as well).since a lot of INFJs are more Pish than MBTI tests account for
I suppose mistyping in itself doesn't matter, but it has the tendency to blur the definitions and create confusion.
Well I couldn't not respond, sorry.Misconceptions = they don't agree with the system you created?But just to weigh in a little, I'm convinced that there's many misconceptions of Introverted Perception CFs.This makes sense.I see myself very much in the "IxxP temperament," which makes complete sense to me because I'm an N-dom.Agreed.I'm sure there are INxJs (Ni-dom) which relate to the "IJ temperament," but they should be fewer.Maybe they're not "posing" or suffering from misconceptions, but they just are using something different than you're using?They're probably mistyped, a lot of J-doms posing as P-doms (the opposite no doubt exists, as well).Says the person who openly blends MBTI and Socionics, cognitive functions, etc. I see you as a contributor to this "problem".I suppose mistyping in itself doesn't matter, but it has the tendency to blur the definitions and create confusion.
We could easily worst-interpret each other all day, which sounds tiring and kinda boring.
If this were any other subforum, or even thread really, I'd try harder to stick to that subforum's topic... Or I'd state context and my own biases as I did here. (Which were similar to OP's, as far as I read.) Since this is not those specific subforums, yup, I'll be a little more relaxed.
rheti enneagram type9
(with wing) 9w1calculated
most likely myers-briggs type (raw)INFP
most likely myers-briggs type (comparative)INFP
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I'm not sure why the calculated Tritype is shown as "4x1" rather than "41x" (with the numerical tie falling between 5 & 6 for Head). Surprisingly this is one of very few instruments that has returned "INFP" for my best-fit MBTI type (usually come back as INFJ), which I do believe is my best-fit type.
When people seem to be lamenting others not using the same "prism" to separate people into types that they use themselves (implying it's the others' fault), it just seems like a typical pot/kettle situation. Especially when their own prism was built by meshing things together.
If everyone is going through this build-your-own prism process then confusion between people is almost going to be guaranteed as viewpoints will differ based on one's own experiences, biases, focuses, etc.
In contrast, Sakinorva is more or less informally adhering to an external standard (that of MBTI), using answers to determine letter preferences. The idea that what you have typed yourself using your own system is more "proper" or whatever outside of your perspective, is bogus.
Last edited by Ocean Helm; 03-04-2019 at 05:00 PM.
Pretty accurate. I don't know my tritype, so I can't judge whether that part is accurate. But the rest is consistent with what I believe my type is.
My "prism" nowadays, as far as MBTI/CFs/Socionics/Keirsey/etc, tends more towards Socionics. And, broadly speaking, the "prisms" I take issue with are those which I find superficial or biased. (I know, "I find," annoyingly subjective.) Not, as much, the definition-based prisms, but rather the sort which say Sensors are all dumb, or Ni is the source of all power, etc. I borrow a little from "CFs" because my usage of Socionics terminology is rusty/beginnerish-as-hell, and I can 'translate' into letter dichotomies, just depends. But yeah, I find most things I'm talking about to be somewhere in Socionics, so maybe I should just make the switch. The CF community here is much easier to get "into," though......I would be interested to know which questions score on which types...In contrast, Sakinorva is more or less informally adhering to an external standard (that of MBTI), using answers to determine letter preferences. The idea that what you have typed yourself using your own system is more "proper" or whatever outside of your perspective, is bogus.
But yeah, my system probably isn't as blended as you seem to think. I'll defer MBTI/CFs to you for now; Enneagram is more my jam, anyways. The older works of Enneagram are really interesting, especially if you notice how some types' identifiers got moved or switched with other types'. That's why I tend to see certain Enneagram types "differently," since it's often a little more divorced from MBTI than most people here work with, and it's based on a generation before the mainstream. In any case, I will say that combining systems to Type with is bad practice, imo. There's patterns but no guarantees, so the conflation leads people astray. I suppose that's my biggest gripe about this test.
I could ramble on about Enneagram, but I get the impression you don't care as much about it, so I'll stop here :P
Last edited by Paradigm; 03-05-2019 at 12:32 AM.