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This is a discussion on SO Instinct Thread within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Octavarium Interesting. What are you noticing about interactions in this thread that’s specific to the Social instinct? ...

  1. #111

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavarium View Post
    Interesting. What are you noticing about interactions in this thread that’s specific to the Social instinct?
    One example seems to be a lot of reference to what experts in the Enneagram community say rather than one's own personal experience.

    It's like a deferment to what the important others in the community are saying rather than one's own personal experience. I see much more reference to personal experience in the SP and SX threads.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by enneathusiast View Post
    It's like a deferment to what the important others in the community are saying rather than one's own personal experience. I see much more reference to personal experience in the SP and SX threads.
    It does seem like we are seeing a lot of citations. Although most people making citations are describing selective disagreement as well as agreement with what various "experts" are saying, so I'd characterize it more as explicit use of community points of reference.

    (At that, I'm not sure whether this is purely SO at work, or whether early events of the thread - which IIRC involved people being poked at if they didn't give explicit citations - are influencing the conventions that have since developed in-thread.)

    I don't really think I experience any of the instincts as such, anyway; all I can really do is classify my behavior, etc. as best makes sense, and describe that. There is no "this is how SO feels" for me. The way I think of instinctual variants is not intuitive at all.
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  3. #113

    Quote Originally Posted by baitedcrow View Post
    The way I think of instinctual variants is not intuitive at all.
    I think of the instincts in terms of where attention and energy go. I'm seeing that play out in the thread (e.g., what context or background is being brought into the discussion or influencing it).
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  5. #114

    Quote Originally Posted by enneathusiast View Post
    One example seems to be a lot of reference to what experts in the Enneagram community say rather than one's own personal experience.

    It's like a deferment to what the important others in the community are saying rather than one's own personal experience. I see much more reference to personal experience in the SP and SX threads.
    Definitions were brought up in the Sx thread as well, so this is not much different from that.
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  6. #115

    Quote Originally Posted by mistakenforstranger View Post
    Now the blindspots:

    So, again, how do you tell the difference?
    Oh yeah doesn't help that I find myself conflicted/concerned with all three instincts in some way and none of them feel completely blind. But I can at least tell I'm not Sx because I don't sexually display much so I think that's a useful distinction.
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  7. #116

    Quote Originally Posted by Remnants View Post
    Definitions were brought up in the Sx thread as well, so this is not much different from that.
    I'm not just referring to the latest two threads but the many threads about each instinct that I've seen over the years here. Though I do see nuanced differences even in the latest threads, but if you don't see it then you don't see it.

    Thinking about it, maybe part of it is that I'm looking at it in the context of each poster's preferred instinct (when possible) and not simply the thread overall.

  8. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by enneathusiast View Post
    One example seems to be a lot of reference to what experts in the Enneagram community say rather than one's own personal experience.

    It's like a deferment to what the important others in the community are saying rather than one's own personal experience. I see much more reference to personal experience in the SP and SX threads.
    Yeah, I was vaguely thinking it might be something like that, but I havenít spent enough time looking at different instinct threads to form definite impressions, so it was helpful to have it made explicit.

    Iím not really seeing deference, though, as @baitedcrow said. Iím thinking this might be a common misunderstanding of SO instinct traits. One of the subtypes Iíve considered for myself is the Social 6. As Chestnut describes the type, in some ways I relate quite a lot to that mindset, but then it comes with all this falling in line with authority stuff that I donít relate to. Chestnut says of SO 6s:
    Quote Originally Posted by Chestnut
    The name given to this type by Ichazo is "Duty," which doesn't mean they "do their duty" (though they often do) as much as it means that they focus on "what their duty is."
    which I relate to, in that I want to know whatís expected of me, whether I end up going along with that or not. So I could imagine Chestnut, or Naranjo, having written that description after having observed a certain type of person who wants to know what the rules and reference points are, what the experts say, and assuming they want to know that because they want to treat them as authorities, when, at least for me, itís more about understanding the system so I can predict the consequences of my choices, or knowing whatís already been said about a theory so I can have an informed opinion about it, whether my opinion lines up with established experts or not. Or, on the other hand, maybe there is a certain type of person who does fit that description, and I donít fully relate to it because itís not my type. Iíve no idea at this point.

    Iíve sometimes got the impression that some people on here have perceived me as someone who thinks that just because itís written in a book by an established author, that automatically makes it right, and maybe people think that because I sometimes respond to points with quotes from books and websites. But I do that because I think the quote is an interesting addition to the discussion, whether I agree with it or not, or because I want to show that people who disagree with the poster Iím responding to arenít necessarily ignorant of the theory (some of the books give an interpretation contrary to what the person is promoting as the one true version of typology), or because I want to get clear on whether the person has misunderstood the existing literature or whether theyíre consciously inventing their own theory. So itís about establishing what the reference points are, but not necessarily deference.
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  9. #118

    Quote Originally Posted by enneathusiast View Post
    One example seems to be a lot of reference to what experts in the Enneagram community say rather than one's own personal experience.

    It's like a deferment to what the important others in the community are saying rather than one's own personal experience. I see much more reference to personal experience in the SP and SX threads.
    Looking at this again I'm like really. I didn't see "deferment to important others" as the point at all.

    But of course, someone's going to interpret things in whichever way based on their own bias. Projection is always fun.
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  10. #119

    Quote Originally Posted by Remnants View Post
    Looking at this again I'm like really. I didn't see "deferment to important others" as the point at all.
    For me, quoting of the "experts" or reference to books or consensus stands in stark contrast to people's first-hand experience of living the type. It seems like my social-last attitude that holds little value for the former and much greater value for the latter.


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