Having a core type and wing in different centers in relation to Tritype

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  1. #1
    Type 4w5

    Having a core type and wing in different centers in relation to Tritype

    Okay, so this thread is about differentiating people's own life experiences of having a double accentuation to a wing by having a tritype that matches said wing with those who haven't. Specifically, those two questions below are for people with core Type and Wing belonging to different centers (i.e. 1w2, 2w1, 4w5, 5w4, 7w8 and 8w7).

    Let me give you some examples : Person A is a core 4 with a 5 wing. Said person also got a 459 tritype which increases the identification of 5 in the overall personality. Given the overall configuration, we could say that Person A 4 and 5 scores are really close hypothetically.

    Person B's core type is 7 with an 8 wing. This person's tritype is 792, however, which means that this person identifies itself with some of the behavior pertaining to 8 and 9.

    My question to those people (core 1w2, 2w1, 4w5, 5w4, 7w8 and 8w7) who share a Tritype that doubles the energy of their wing like Person A is how does this double energy coming from your wing and Tritype fix comes into play within your life? Do you tend to really identify with those two types and rarely use your third fix in your Tritype? Were you really confused at first when choosing your core between those two types?

    For those who are more akin to the Person B example, meaning that their wing and same center fix are not the same, here is my question : how do you approach your environment with those two energies coming from this particular center? Do you tend to spend more time in your wing or you fix? Is it situational? Are you using your wing type in private and your fix more in public or vice versa?

    Thank you for the comments :)



  2. #2
    Type 5w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Karkino View Post
    For those who are more akin to the Person B example, meaning that their wing and same center fix are not the same, here is my question : how do you approach your environment with those two energies coming from this particular center? Do you tend to spend more time in your wing or you fix? Is it situational? Are you using your wing type in private and your fix more in public or vice versa?
    I'm 5w4 with 3 in my tritype (513). I'm a standard 5 with some 4 traits thrown in (especially around creativity & aesthetics). There are a number of 4 traits I'm missing, especially the amplified emotionality (unless it's romantically, then I'm high on/in emotionality).

    I can be more 4-ish if sufficiently stressed (withdraw to sort out my feelz) but I tend to jump to my 1 influence more readily when my 5 strategy fails -- in Riso/Hudson's individual enneagram tests I score very high in 5, high in 1 and moderately in 3, 4 & 8 respectively.

    So the 3 influence in me isn't large to begin with but, yes, it is situational and comes to the forefront in private: it's natural for me to achieve/strive/support etc in my romantic relationship (I relate to much of Chestnut's 3 SX description). The 4 influence is present in me all the time (no distinction between public & private there).

  3. #3
    Type 1w2


    In the scenarios you mentioned, I think what people may see is that their personal story will also include elements of type progression. Each enneagram type takes in the core concern of the type before it. As a 1w2, this is reflected by a sense that I "need to be good," but because of the 2, also "act out goodness." By the time you hit type 3, which isn't in my type, the emphasis tilts to emphasize the acting more so than the goodness - but it's still a factor for 2, and is the central focus of 1.

    Both the 1 and the 2 are very much intermeshed, and have had a substantial impact on my personal history. I do strongly believe that although children are probably born typeless, they are also probably "hardwired" to eventually develop into certain type(s) over others. For me, that very much meant becoming a parentified child, who took in the "shoulds" of Dad in becoming financially successful and technically skilled, and the confidant/emotional supporter of Mom since Dad was always so busy and not there relationally. The 1 and the 2 have both created in me an urge that I always need to "do" something - either because it's inefficient/ineffective/not sufficient/incompetently-done, or because I sense someone needs me to be there for them (even if they don't, or even if it wouldn't be healthy for me to jump in). On the positive side, my types have helped me do well in my career, which requires both technical skills and the ability to stabilize relations with people; on the negative, my types kind of led me to skip childhood altogether, which creates burdens now in my adult life that strongly require attentiveness to myself that I may not be inclined to give.

    I'm not really keen on tritype, particularly the model. Rather than trying to pore over whether I have a 5 fix or a 7 fix, or a 2 fix or a 3 or a 4, it's been much more useful for me to identify other impactful types, and their roles in a more open-ended fashion. For me those have been 7, and to a lesser degree, 4 and 5, all of which rear their head situationally rather than day-to-day.
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    Tritype works like a placebo effect for people who are mistyped. In reality, three different personality types cannot co-exist in the same person unless that person suffers from MPD.

  6. #5
    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy View Post
    Tritype works like a placebo effect for people who are mistyped. In reality, three different personality types cannot co-exist in the same person unless that person suffers from MPD.
    I respect your view on this, but I certainly do find a practical use on Tritype theory.

    While I'm no expert on the Enneagram and even less so for Tritype, I've noticed a loose trend on people displaying a core behavior and thinking patterns related to one particular Enneatype. However, even with wing and instinctual stacking, people are quite different in their decision-making, especially when comparing which center is feeling activated depending on the situation.

    Of course, if I take myself as an example, my usual first focus of attention is in my Heart Center. In a conflict, feelings of shame will usually be taken care of as a priority. When those needs being fulfilled fail to apease my understanding of the situation, wing will take care of the situation by analyzing and distancing myself from the commotion. Eventually, if the threat hasn't been erased in my mind. My Head fix and my Gut fix will try to sooth my anxiety by focusing on entertainment and denying the problem.

    I cannot talk for other cases since I haven't discussed it thoroughly with many folk, but this thinking pattern in really cyclic and can run up really fast in my head.

    PS : And of course at stage 1, my lines of disintegration (I count both of them as they can hold both the positive and negative effects) will burst out in my mind. I will harshly criticise myself and others like an unhealty 1 and look for comfort and instant gratification like an unhealthy 2.

  7. #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy View Post
    In reality, three different personality types cannot co-exist in the same person unless that person suffers from MPD.
    Then why is it so often said that we're actually all nine Enneagram types?
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  8. #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Karkino View Post
    My question to those people (core 1w2, 2w1, 4w5, 5w4, 7w8 and 8w7) who share a Tritype that doubles the energy of their wing like Person A is how does this double energy coming from your wing and Tritype fix comes into play within your life? Do you tend to really identify with those two types and rarely use your third fix in your Tritype? Were you really confused at first when choosing your core between those two types?
    I "use" both Enneagram proper and the tritype system in that I know to what I think is a reasonable degree of certainty what my main type w/wings is and what my tritype would be with the extension, but I determined them more less separately. There probably is some correlation WRT wings and tritype fixes "doubling up" because if you relate well to a type as a wing it makes sense that you might relate to it as a fix. (At least, it would not surprise me if there was.) However I don't think that having a wing and a fix that are the same "doubles the energy" necessarily.

    I'm a 5w4 because of the two types adjacent to 5 (4 & 6) I share more concerns and characteristics with 4. I have 4 as a heart fix because I share more concerns and characteristics with 4 than with the other two heart types, 2 & 3. The points of comparison aren't even the same.

    I have my tritype placed as 514 (not 541) because I relate more to gut/1 concerns than to 4/heart concerns overall. If you really wanted to squint, you might be able to make some connection there between 4 integrating to 1, but I've never seen the point of stretching my interpretation that far, it seems unnecessary and contrived. I do relate a lot to the points of connection between 5 and 7 and 5 and 8.

    I am a pretty 4-ish 5, to the point that I occasionally mistyped as 4 as a young teenager (my teenager-ness sort of exacerbated my apparent 4ishness; I also think my mother is a 4 and I picked up some of her attitudes). What confusion I ever experienced when reading about 5 and 4 and trying to apply them to myself, though, was IMO mostly attributable to the fact that they are both Withdrawn types and can be inferred to share some behavioral tendencies despite coming from different places.

    Ultimately, fear of overwhelm and persistent discomfort with emotion makes it clear I'm more 5 than 4, and from my late teens/early 20s onward I've also occasionally mistyped or mis-scored as type 1 when using Enneagram indicators.
    Last edited by baitedcrow; 05-18-2019 at 06:39 PM.

  9. #8
    Type 5w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy View Post
    Tritype works like a placebo effect for people who are mistyped. In reality, three different personality types cannot co-exist in the same person unless that person suffers from MPD.
    Why do some people have a wing, or two? What about lines of integration? Why is it when we do enneagram tests we get scores, to varying degrees, in every type? Why is it said with the instincts that we have all three (even if one is undeveloped)?

    If I was nothing but a pure 5 fixation, I can't imagine how I'd function in this world (withdrawn 5s often have trouble with this as it is). And in that scenario there would only be 9 'personalities' found in billions of people (who couldn't understand each other at all). Diversity is achieved/explained within the enneagram model by the use of 'influences' (wings/lines/tritype). With tritype it's said that people necessarily must have a head + gut + heart way of interacting with the world to be healthy/functional.

    Experientially I'm a 5 with all the typical 5 desires/concerns/'issues' -- I spend the vast majority of my time being a 'classic' 5 BUT there is, if you wish to stay within enneagram language, a 1 hand resting on my shoulder (high conscientiousness etc). If I get angry (which takes a lot), I'd be best classified in that moment as a 1 -- I'm suddenly 'fixated' on what's 'right', I'm not going to withdraw to think and I won't hesitate to vocalize a moral judgement (which I'll giggle about later when I've returned to being my usual non attached calm-happy 5 who is contented by understanding rather than 1 concerns; 'oh they're just a X doing Y for W reason, here's what I'll do next time...')

    I'm also quite different in the evening around someone I'm close with (more 3/4 influence) compared to how I behave as a team leader on a project during the day (8-ish) or how I behave on a day off (standard shop's-closed-people 5 mode as I go play with my mental tinker toys in private). Range is a good thing. I'm currently making an effort to learn more about the type that is my instinctual blind spot in the hope I can somewhat increase my range there.

    Jordan Peterson, a psychologist/professor who does a lot of work in understanding the underpinnings of the Big Five, says personalities are an amalgamation of 'sub personalities'. So perhaps, in this sense, we are all 'multiple personalities' to some degree.

    I'll note that people can/should get their core type first, be absolutely sure that's correct & can 'stand on it's own', before adding in tritype to avoid the pitfalls of mistyping then explaining problems away with wings/lines/tritype (which I acknowledge is a problem and one I see regularly). If you have to use a wing, line or tritype to explain even your free time/free to think/do anything (most natural, 'default') behavior/fixation, you're very likely a mistype.

    Just bc core typing should be 'simple', doesn't mean overall personality is/need be. There is no need to conflate the two.
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