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This is a discussion on Do you guys think 279 sx/so would be a common ESFP tritype? within the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Huh, I didn't really ever think that Enneagrams are based on trauma. I don't know much about them, I was ...

  1. #11
    Type 6w7

    Huh, I didn't really ever think that Enneagrams are based on trauma. I don't know much about them, I was just trying to nail down my MBTI type by use of Enneagram, which apparently doesn't work :D
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  2. #12
    Type 9w8

    Quote Originally Posted by DrEquine View Post
    Huh, I didn't really ever think that Enneagrams are based on trauma. I don't know much about them, I was just trying to nail down my MBTI type by use of Enneagram, which apparently doesn't work :D
    It is based on how deeply one has dug oneself down a defence mechanism hole.
    Hence the need for health levels to determine how badly one is affected
    with the habitual identification with ones type.

    Here is an article who briefly lists the main stages a 6 can find themselves in,
    since you think that is your core type.
    https://www.personalitycafe.com/type...e-6-wings.html

    But I think the forum has one for each type, there are also books who cover this in more detail.
    Riso and Hudson I believe.

  3. #13
    Type 5w4

    I don't subscribe to the view that a person's enneagram type is based on some early trauma.

    There are lists that supposedly explain how whatever your enneatype ~ whatever you're like as a person, you're like that because you were traumatized by very bad parenting. According to that theory, all of us had awful parents who mistreated us in at least one of nine different ways, and because of that terrible childhood experience, we ended up as whatever type we are. It makes no sense.
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  5. #14
    Type 9w8

    Quote Originally Posted by Janna View Post
    I don't subscribe to the view that a person's enneagram type is based on some early trauma.

    There are lists that supposedly explain how whatever your enneatype ~ whatever you're like as a person, you're like that because you were traumatized by very bad parenting. According to that theory, all of us had awful parents who mistreated us in at least one of nine different ways, and because of that terrible childhood experience, we ended up as whatever type we are. It makes no sense.
    Thanks for bringing up that misunderstanding! :)

    It has nothing to do with being a terrible parent, or it doesn't have be about it.
    Rather parents are powerless to protect their children from pain.
    How can one completely shelter someone from life?
    The answer is that one can't.
    I've worked plenty with children, and one thing I know is that no matter what I do.
    The kids must experience failure and hardship.
    Sure one tries to give them the good kind that makes them grow and learn,
    yet on some level they will have to engage their defense mechanisms
    to protect their fragile ego's from trauma.
    Somewhere in this process they learn a pattern
    that seems to work very well for them, so they stick with it.
    No one has to be a "bad person" for this to happen, it is not about neglect, it is about growing up.
    It is inevitable.
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    Type 5w4

    That's an important distinction. As a parent I know how powerless we truly are to protect our children from pain.

    But the wording in some of the materials that I've seen about enneagram and childhood trauma does sound like the parents of every type are doing an exceptionally bad job. I don't know if this is the best example (I've seen some lists like that on PerC too, but I couldn't find them) https://personalityperfectionist.tum...ildhood-wounds, but I mean something like this. For instance, my type has apparently had a very sad childhood:

    Type 5: These children received no meaningful interaction, emotion, or affection from caretakers. Or, the child had intrusive, over-controlling parent(s) and felt exposed and defenseless in the face of this intrusion. As a result, they built walls around themselves and retreated to the mental realm.

    My parents did give me meaningful interaction, emotion and affection, and they were not over-controlling or intrusive. But still they were unable to protect me from pain, including that feeling that the world is intruding on me.
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  7. #16
    Type 9w8

    Quote Originally Posted by Janna View Post
    That's an important distinction. As a parent I know how powerless we truly are to protect our children from pain.

    But the wording in some of the materials that I've seen about enneagram and childhood trauma does sound like the parents of every type are doing an exceptionally bad job. I don't know if this is the best example (I've seen some lists like that on PerC too, but I couldn't find them) https://personalityperfectionist.tum...ildhood-wounds, but I mean something like this. For instance, my type has apparently had a very sad childhood:

    Type 5: These children received no meaningful interaction, emotion, or affection from caretakers. Or, the child had intrusive, over-controlling parent(s) and felt exposed and defenseless in the face of this intrusion. As a result, they built walls around themselves and retreated to the mental realm.

    My parents did give me meaningful interaction, emotion and affection, and they were not over-controlling or intrusive. But still they were unable to protect me from pain, including that feeling that the world is intruding on me.
    Yeah right, I've read the descriptions you linked.
    I think it is partly down to poor phrasing, like why should all the kids up to 4 feel like something,
    but suddenly the 5 received no meaningful interaction objectively.
    That is inconsistent at best.
    If they had kept it consistent and maybe explained the premise for wording it that way,
    then okay, I guess I could go with it, that being said, it is just some random persons tumbler page?
    Not something I would put a whole lot of stock in.

    I think there are two problems that are very important in cases that are not neglect,
    one is cultural, our culture is constantly evolving.
    Historically we have raised the standard of what is considered good care.
    Yet no matter what culture one is raised in, it is always wrong for someone.
    Jung called where our culture is at for the spirit of our time,
    the spirit of our time is benevolent against some and repressive towards others.
    I was unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong culture in the wrong time.
    Nothing my parents did in relation to my upbringing could change that.

    The second issue is type, to drag in the MBTI for simplicity.
    When say an ENFP raise an ISTP, then there isn't very much natural understanding of the others mode of being.
    Hence no matter how hard the parent tries, there will always be a void the parent cannot reach across.
    It is hard enough if one parent is out of tune, if both are, then it is more or less hell.
    Even if the parents follow every objective expectation of "good childcare",
    it just isn't what the child expect and needs.


     
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