Comparing 3 + 7 Archetypes (378, 379 and 137)

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  1. #1
    Type 4w5

    Comparing 3 + 7 Archetypes (378, 379 and 137)

    This post will compare the multiple differences between 378, 379 and 137 tritypes.

    The 3 tritypes concerned with having THREE and SEVEN fixes (378, 379 and 137) display those behavioral and psychological patterns :

    • Deceit and Gluttony combine into a charismatic, energetic and confident-looking character. People with this combination are always on the move to present an attractive side of themselves to people and stay in an upbeat mood as long as they are with somebody;

    • Double assertive stance ; the need to take charge and make things happen out in the real world in enhanced;

    • Attractive, upbeat and fresh energy;

    • Very masculine energy;

    • The image-conforming, shapeshifting THREE is at odds with the variety-seeking, pain-avoiding SEVEN;

    • There's a real conflict between the THREE's need to stay competitive and prove their worth and the SEVEN's need to seek enjoyment and feeling excited about what they experiencing;

    • Most likely combination to be seen as upbeat and cool-looking;


    Differences Between Archetypes :


    Controlling their Environment

    • 378s try to maintain a certain control onto their environment even thought they want to keep a positive faηade and be unaffected by it;

    • 379s shapeshift into what's more desirable and attractive to look at in their environment so they don't use forceful tactics in the open;

    • 137s are very perfectionnistic about their ideas and often will try to manipulate their environement in hopes for better cooperativeness;


    Impatience and Anger

    • 378s are really impatient and won't let people limit their capacity to enjoy creating and making things happen;

    • 379s will try to divert their attention to more pleasurable experiences instead of pushing people or events to their breaking point;

    • 137s can channel their impatience and frustration into further developing their project in mind, avoiding unacceptable behavior to seep out;


    Asserting their Will

    • 378s are like conquerors of foreign land; they test and try new things to further expand their territory and make new gains;

    • 379s are more comfortable with maintaining peace and harmony in their enviroment and avoiding making controversies;

    • 137s don't assert their will directly and openly like 378s; they prefer filtering it through a more reasonable framework that fits the overarching ideals of a collective setting;


    Potential Problems

    • 378s can be seem as insensitive and provocative to others because they tend to love a good conflict in order to stir some shit up. They are quick-witted but can eventually lose appeal because of their jerk attitude. Also, they can be so egocentric that they forgot to include other people in their goals and schemes. Like the 368s, they can be very adept at putting their foot in their mouth and say or do something offensive or inappropriate. Their ''deal with it'' attitude can seem old very fast and look distasteful. Finally, they need to look inside themselves more and listen to their inner motivations, as they spend way too much time outside their own mind and heart;

    • 379s often gloss over important details that might undermine the super upbeat and neat image that they've created. This behavior might lead them in hot water as people might realize the scheme behind all that positive front and start to view 379s as frauds and liers. It is only eased out when this tritype starts connect with his or her identity that they learn to understand that honesty is a vital piece to any communication;

    • 137s are very perfectionnistic and with that comes very high ideals that are often hard to keep up with. This can make this person very difficult to work with because of their tendency to swing between their need for structure and innovation, giving them a somethat unpredictable nature. Like their fellow ONE + THREE tritypes, they can be overly focused on their work, but become more quickly irritated if the tasks are too repetitive and boring. Their constant need for change and variety can make them frustrated and tense if nothing goes according to their vision;


    Patterns & Structure

    • 378s are triple assertive and expansive. This means that this archetype has all the three enneatypes in each center of intelligence that want to conquer and expand their physical territory in order to create what they crave and envision. They are the empire builders, always on the lookout for new ways of spreading their way of thinking and act immediately upon creating new shemes. Paired with a self-perservation instinct, this tritype is more grounded and looking for the right deal to make a profitable experience. They are very epicurious and like to keep an image of laid-back, positive person. With the sexual subtype, the attention is less tangible and more focused on reaching lofty ideals. New experiences need to be felt and savored more intensely than self-preservation subtype. They like to be seen as an ideal, perfected ideal person to a few people close to them and their intent is to consume experiences, not just living them. Social variant is more involved with securing a political or organizational enviable place in the established hierarchy. They are the most confortable with the spotlight and like to maintain a grandiose, greater than nature persona when appearing publicly. Those are usualy quite colorful, but not as much as the sexual variant;

    • 379s are triple Optimistic and politically-savvy. This means that this archetype has all the three enneatypes in each center of intelligence that pushes for a nice and enthousiastic outlook no matter the situation and adapt accordingly. They want to project a very attractive image in order to be liked and appreciated for its ideas even though they have to bend the reality of the situation to better match their goals. Self-preservation dominant with this archetype are very cunning at finding the best deal with the least amount of efforts and know how to put people at ease. They are also very modest and good at looking thrustworthy. Social subtypes are similar in behavior, but are much more about image and recognition than self-pres. They are very good at keeping a positive and unprovocative front in order to make people believe that they are doing their best. Sexual subtypes are more personable and use their tremendous charisma in order to entice people that they have worth. They can look like 279s in that regard;

    • 137s are triple perfectionnistic and improving. This means that this archetype has all the three enneatypes in each center of intelligence that prefer to ask itself ''what can be done better'' and outperform others by pure ingenuity. They like to seek opportunities to promote themselves and present their work in a fun and creative way. They always have the eye to see that something might be better and/or more effective than what it is at its current state. Self-preservation subtypes are very industrious and practical in their work. They are also known to be opportunistic and clever in getting the right contacts to give out the best outcome. Overall a very outgoing variant. The Sexual dominant is very idealistic and bizarrely dreamy too! They are the least practical and savvy of all three subtypes and care more about pleasing and seducing others while also having a controlling stance in private. They can be enigmatic and a bit eccentric since the subtype don't mix well with the archetype. Finally, the social variant is more concerned with keeping an innovative and sustaining image while keeping their enthousiasm in check. Social recognition is often very important to this tritype and they need to maintain a pure, incorruptible persona to the world;


    Possible Mistypes

    • Self-preservation EIGHTS with a NINE wing and a 378 tritype might confuse their need for solitude and peace for being a 379;

    • Social NINE with a ONE wing and a 379 archetype can identity as a 137s because of their increased activity level and group focus compared to other subtypes;

    • Sexual SEVENS with a EIGHT wing and a 137 tritype could potentially look like a 378;

    • Sexual ONES with a TWO wing and a 137 tritype may look like a 378 because of sexual ONE being the countertype and having access to their anger more readily than other subtypes;


    MBTI

    • 378s' most common MBTI types are : ESTP (873), ENTJ (873), ESFP (378), ENTP (783) and maybe ENFJ (387) and ESTJ (837). It's incredibly rare to find introverted types with this tritype and all extroverted types might fit the bill;

    • 379s' most common MBTI types are : ESFP (739), ENFJ (379), ENTP (739) and maybe ENFP (739). It's quite rare to have introverted types with this archetype and only when 9 is leading if applicable. Beside that, the thinking and feeling ratio are about equal, so does the judging and perceiving axis (slightly tipping for perceivers);

    • 137s' most common tritypes are ENTP (731), ESTP (731), ENTJ (713) and sometimes ENFP (731) or ESTJ (137). This is a very extroverted tritype so introverted Myers Briggs types aren't very common. Both perceiving and judging types can be found here but most of them are either NT or SP. Very few feeling types too;


    Miscellaneous Differences

    • 137s are more internally conflicted with they SEVEN and ONE dichotomy (control vs chaos); this is less the case for 378s and 379s who are more in tune with their instinctual nature;

    • 378s hate outside control the most and can see it as a threat to their enjoyment and right to do what they want; 137s and 379s can deal more gracefully with external pressure;

    • 379s are the most positive tritype and will keep being cheerful and deny negativity even if cornered; 137s and 378s won't;

    • 137s are more structure-oriented than 378s and 379s and will work with it alongside their own creativity to produce inventive things and concepts;

    • 137s are highly perfectionnistic about their work, while 379 are more improvisers;

    • 378s have more of a competitive streak (especially if social) than 379s and 137s and can be sore losers;

    • 378s are more pragmatic and concrete in their speech patterns than 137s who can more more technical and conceptual;

    • 137s are more wokaholic and dutiful than 378s and 379s, even though they must enjoy their job in order to do so;

    • 379s tend to shy away from adversity, especially if conflicts become too serious and complex to handle; 378s won't back off;

    • 379s are more shapeshifting and adaptable to their environement than 136s and 378s.
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  2. #2
    Type 1w2


    My wife's an ESTJ 317 (or 371). She's definitely perfectionist, has high standards, very industrious and can be a bit of a workoholic especially around her job. When she sets her mind to a hobby or a project, she always does finishes it (and I have more problems with finishing because of my dominant perceiving function).

    One of her biggest quips about her job is how others are not as competent as they could be (I suppose 1 criticism). She can be prone to expressing her boredom with her job fairly regularly and is always seeking new tasks/responsibilities in order to keep interested ... by doing more work or asking for more work .. (pretty unique solution to a problem with boredom lel). The 7 desire for novelty and the 1 and 3 push towards competency can be in a little conflict at times - visibly so.

    Her 7-fix really shines through her optimism for the future, pleasure and novelty seeking in terms of new experiences though. A lot more than I'm used to seeing with other SJ's tbh who seem content with repeating old experiences more. (It would be tough for me if I didn't have someone who wanted to try new things as much / often as I do)

    We bond through our shared 7-fix and run our life/household through the 1. My 1 core and her 1 fix basically created a very functional household with the 7-ish ability to create a lot of unique ways for enjoying each other's company as well. There's always new ideas and ways to go out and have fun, or find ways to just have a really good time if we're staying in. Either through playing video games together, having a date night, netflix and chill, novel sexual experiences or going out to theme parks and road trips.

    One thing I will say that doesn't go entirely with the descriptions above is that she being an Sp-variant is less extroverted socially than my ENTJ Sx 873 brother who's *extremely* extroverted and is all about his business connections, networking and consolidating power through material success. In fact, for a while, she identified as an introvert.
    Last edited by SilentScream; 11-25-2019 at 09:39 AM.

  3. #3
    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentScream View Post
    One thing I will say that doesn't go entirely with the descriptions above is that she being an Sp-variant is less extroverted socially than my ENTJ Sx 873 brother who's *extremely* extroverted and is all about his business connections, networking and consolidating power through material success. In fact, for a while, she identified as an introvert.
    You're right. Generally speaking, self-preservation subtypes are often a bit more introverted than the two other subtypes. If she's leading with sp THREE, then it amplifies the need to be industrious and may steer away from the stereotypical vanity of the THREE description. Add ESTJ and 317 and you get someone who's very focused on their work, humble, very trustworthy, effective and reliable and can even mistype as a 316 archetype because of that.
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  5. #4
    Type 1w2


    Quote Originally Posted by Karkino View Post
    You're right. Generally speaking, self-preservation subtypes are often a bit more introverted than the two other subtypes. If she's leading with sp THREE, then it amplifies the need to be industrious and may steer away from the stereotypical vanity of the THREE description. Add ESTJ and 317 and you get someone who's very focused on their work, humble, very trustworthy, effective and reliable and can even mistype as a 316 archetype because of that.
    Sounds like her indeed. We did discuss the possibility of a 6-fix for her for a bit and in the end decided that she has the security focus of the Sp variant (slightly more geared towards success, material comforts and hobbies), as opposed to the security consciousness of a 6-fix driven out of fear. It's mainly through her past that it becomes more obvious that she's 7-fixed over 6-fixed as she's thrown caution to the wind several times and taken calculated risks for her life's advancement - much more so compared to my 361 father who was equally security focused, but also governed by fear of failure more than my wife.

    It's gotten easier for me to differentiate since I have very close personal relationships with three ETJ's. The worst being the relationship with my brother where our 1 and 8 core clash horribly (literally an issue with ethics and morality vs selfishness and amorality and both have anger issues so we clash pretty much regularly every few months), best being with my wife likely owing to two shared fixes. I had trouble with my dad with regards to his lack of desire to take chances/risks in his life (which is projected onto me holding me back for a long time) and it's something we still argue over at times. He did take some chances, but never dabbled in running/starting his own consultancy, preferring to stick to a professional career as someone else's CEO or director instead.
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