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    I am ENTJ but I feel like I am more ENTP according to description

    Hello,

    on tests I always score ENTJ, however the J is always close to P. And reading both profiles, they both kinda fit me.

    Anyway, summary of my personality:

    -Materialistic, as long as it is useful (I know it is bad but I don't really care enough to change)
    -Philosophical (I am hypocrite though)
    -As a kid I fought a lot, I wanted to gain respect among my peers
    -I've been doing kickboxing since small, all my hobbies has to have some kind of real life usefulness. I thought of dancing, but then I said to myself that it is useless, I will not be able to use it in real life.
    -I like reading, most of the time things I read are non-fiction. Again, everything I do must be somehow useful. I even read fiction sometimes, but only if it is popular or has some literally value, so that I can seem "literate" in front of other people
    -I like to do stocks and other various financial stuff. I really love money and to make money.
    -Entrepreneurial
    -I am both either very organised or unorganised. My phone and computer is super organised in terms of folders, files, apps and so on. But my home environment is completely trash. I put shirts and pants anywhere I can. I spend very little time at home though. I am always either at work, at gym or socialising somewhere.
    -I usually improvise, because I feel confident enough almost in everything I do that I don't need a plan. However, when I am unsure, I do make thorough research and make a mental plan inside my head and then get into action, real hard.
    -I have many ideas which I do not really follow up through (but I want to), but once I want something really hard or get a grip of an idea, I will take the action relentlessly.
    -I am very ambitious
    -Rule breaker. I often break law and social norms, as long as I know there will be no consequences



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    You do sound kinda ENTP. But I'm not an expert, the only thing I can say is you definitely need to read more on functions instead of just going off your test results. The test is a starting point to give you an idea, then you read functions and see what you think you use. Especially if you have close percentages.

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    I'm going with ESTP

    Monetary, practicality, fluidity.
    Seem to have strong Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NT the DC View Post
    I'm going with ESTP

    Monetary, practicality, fluidity.
    Seem to have strong Se.
    But aren’t ESTP unorganised and kind of undisciplined? What I definitely got going on is discipline and mental fortitude. If I wanted to do something but knew it is bad, I’d almost never do it. Like fast food. I would not eat it even if it was in front of me (but do I love it so damn much).
    Or doing things that is good for me despite hating it e.g. meditation. I created this plan where I have to meditate each day for 5 minutes and do I dislike it. But have been doing it past a year now.
    Last edited by spupapi; 08-22-2018 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by potatopotahto View Post
    You do sound kinda ENTP. But I'm not an expert, the only thing I can say is you definitely need to read more on functions instead of just going off your test results. The test is a starting point to give you an idea, then you read functions and see what you think you use. Especially if you have close percentages.
    I have these phases, where I think that I behave like typical ENTJ. It is usually during work seasons. When it comes to summer seasons, I am a typical ENTP. I go to parties, do most of this and that, spend a lot of money on unnecessary bullsh*t and just like to test people and situation by provoking just for the sake of it. The functions of ENTP and ENTJ are very different, however reading through the functions and writing them down I’ve got ENTJ. Maybe I am really one. I do own 2 businesses and I am very keen on making it more efficient and productive, so it can make more money so I can fuel my ENTP party habits... Is that strange thing to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spupapi View Post
    But aren’t ESTP unorganised and kind of undisciplined? What I definitely got going on is discipline and mental fortitude. If I wanted to do something but knew it is bad, I’d almost never do it. Like fast food. I would not eat it even if it was in front of me (but do I love it so damn much).
    Or doing things that is good for me despite hating it e.g. meditation. I created this plan where I have to meditate each day for 5 minutes and do I dislike it. But have been doing it past a year now.

    Ok, rereading.. You do sound pretty ENTJ to me. Especially saying you are definitely disciplined. ENTPs... I don't think we're lacking in discipline, necessarily, but at least for me it's not my strong point.

    As far as ENTP party habits, I'm not really sure. That sounds like you just have a good amount of Se, which.. unless it's because you're relying on shadow functions due to stress, wouldn't make sense with ENTP. ENTJ have Se as tertiary, and I'm not sure what that would look like...
    *shrugs* I dunno. ENTJ wouldn't surprise me. Also possible you've got something like ESTP if I'm right about Se, because that would bring it up to dominant, but I don't really know as much about Sensor types as I do intuitives. I know ESTPs can be pretty driven and business oriented so that would fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spupapi View Post
    Hello,

    on tests I always score ENTJ, however the J is always close to P. And reading both profiles, they both kinda fit me.

    Anyway, summary of my personality:

    -Materialistic, as long as it is useful (I know it is bad but I don't really care enough to change)
    -Philosophical (I am hypocrite though)
    -As a kid I fought a lot, I wanted to gain respect among my peers
    -I've been doing kickboxing since small, all my hobbies has to have some kind of real life usefulness. I thought of dancing, but then I said to myself that it is useless, I will not be able to use it in real life.
    -I like reading, most of the time things I read are non-fiction. Again, everything I do must be somehow useful. I even read fiction sometimes, but only if it is popular or has some literally value, so that I can seem "literate" in front of other people
    -I like to do stocks and other various financial stuff. I really love money and to make money.
    -Entrepreneurial
    -I am both either very organised or unorganised. My phone and computer is super organised in terms of folders, files, apps and so on. But my home environment is completely trash. I put shirts and pants anywhere I can. I spend very little time at home though. I am always either at work, at gym or socialising somewhere.
    -I usually improvise, because I feel confident enough almost in everything I do that I don't need a plan. However, when I am unsure, I do make thorough research and make a mental plan inside my head and then get into action, real hard.
    -I have many ideas which I do not really follow up through (but I want to), but once I want something really hard or get a grip of an idea, I will take the action relentlessly.
    -I am very ambitious
    -Rule breaker. I often break law and social norms, as long as I know there will be no consequences
    Hang out in both the ENTJ and ENTP subfora and figure out which group you relate with the most.

    In the end, it probably doesn't matter what you actually are...but rather who you actually fit with. Don't force it.

    FWIW, I think "sure of type" seems to be a more NTJ thing and "I'm not sure" seems to be more of an NTP thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spupapi View Post
    But aren’t ESTP unorganised and kind of undisciplined? What I definitely got going on is discipline and mental fortitude. If I wanted to do something but knew it is bad, I’d almost never do it. Like fast food. I would not eat it even if it was in front of me (but do I love it so damn much).
    Or doing things that is good for me despite hating it e.g. meditation. I created this plan where I have to meditate each day for 5 minutes and do I dislike it. But have been doing it past a year now.
    I don't see why an ESTP would be any less organized than an ENTP.
    If you're considering being an ENTP then I don't see why organization would be a reason you'd dismiss ESTP.

    ESTPs are going to be a hands on learner who needs to experience to know.
    They don't care to get all theoretical they just want what is practical and what works in the real world.

    There is no reason they wouldn't have discipline and mental fortitude they have Ti as a aux function.
    It's just about experiencing life first hand to learn about the world and then taking that knowledge and applying it in the mental structure inside your head. Doing things that make sense to the individual based on the practical real world experiences they've had.

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    I would also favor ESTP. Nothing really abstract in your personality description, very materialistic, physical, aimed toward practicality in general.

    The typical ENTJ description ("natural leader" "get things done" "active") fits a lot more what an ESTP would look like in reality. The ESTP descriptions aren't flattering : We would picture them as people who would kill themselves trying to do the best picture for Instagram or something. In reality, they are actually very industrious, efficient and disciplined thanks to their high Se (high reactivity / power on the outer world / interest to the material) and high Ti (strong inner mental structure / interest to the practical immaterial).

    What's typically missing in ESTP, and that's really present in ENTJ, is strong ethical principles. Example : You stated you fought a lot to gain respect among your peers, not that you fought a lot because you couldn't stand [some kind of injustice] and couldn't stop yourself from acting [even if that meant loosing respect from your peers].

    If you have some doubts, you can read Socionics descriptions of the ESTP (ESTp) - ENTJ (ENTj). I first thought they were craps, but then I tested them in reality and they proved to be amazingly accurate.
    Last edited by Cobble; 08-25-2018 at 12:25 AM.
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