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    INTJ - The Scientists

    How would you go about eradicating absolute poverty?

    I'm interested.



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    Genocide would be needed in my opinion. The upper class want to preserve their wealth at any cost.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    define poverty in a really detailed way. In some definitions its impossible in some others it could be possible.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by lordmercurio View Post
    define poverty in a really detailed way. In some definitions its impossible in some others it could be possible.
    Absolute poverty is the condition where household income is below the necessary level to maintain basic living standards (food, shelter and housing).

    Quote Originally Posted by NT the DC View Post
    Genocide would be needed in my opinion. The upper class want to preserve their wealth at any cost.
    Just to eradicate absolute poverty?

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Epitomity View Post
    Absolute poverty is the condition where household income is below the necessary level to maintain basic living standards (food, shelter and housing).
    Your definition is quite debatible, check a denition of the same concept:
    https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/g...ative-poverty/
    It depends on each country standars, ergo youn could be poor in one country and not poor in another(doe snot eman you would be rich, just not poor).Basic needs depends of country.

    The main solution aplieed for countries that had gone from poor country to, even in some cases, developed country has been: education: quality(how welll people are bieng educated) and quantity(how many are being educated), long terms objectives with clear index to measure every objective and action taken, that dont depend on current or future people on power(so things dont change every time theer is a new president/major/governor/etc just because he/she thinks different) and a full comitment to laws , politics adn every singel thing to reduce income disparity and increase opportunities for poor people. Also there is always a huge change in legal system to reduce corruption. All these things reduce poverty a lot, so when you only have a small group of people below whatever stadnar you use to define absolute poverty , you use economic help, socioeconomic programs and other benefits. Keep in mind this means goverment have money to do that and corruptino is not an important problem so gubernamental programs achieve their objective in an efficeint way. This is the standar "model" that has been used by successfull countries, according to observation and research. Also, this is just a mere group of general ideas; the real problem is the aplication of those ideas and the decision making process under the specific enviroment and conditions of each country. the more specific and custo made are made those the better.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I don't think it's possible tbh.
    Maybe cut down the % by a large margin is do-able, but not eradicating it.
    Some humans just don't have the right mindset.
    Even if you give them everything on a silver platter to help them, they'll revert back to their old ways.
    So, unless you can reset people's mentality (which is pretty much impossible), I don't think it's possible to eradicate absolute poverty.
    People will get but will always want more and more, e.g. people who are more than happy living on state benefits/whatever the government can give them.
    Maybe eradicating those people would be good?
    Haha... Let's not get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epitomity View Post
    Just to eradicate absolute poverty?
    Yup.
    People aren't starving or poor because there is a lack of resources it's that there are those who have the majority of wealth do not want to lose their foothold on it.

    You'd literally have to kill off everyone who wasn't willing to hoard everything for themselves and even if you did that there is probably someone new to step into their place and try to do the same.

    Just look at what happens when you knock off the head of a crime syndicate the organization may suffer but new groups rise up and fight for control.

    Just as there are always those fighting for power and control there are also always going to be those who are content with what they have and those who are not content with what they have but unwilling to work to change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epitomity View Post
    I'm interested.
    Capitalism.

    If you must well placed welfare like the ubi once itís affordable. Make a ubi with enough to cover basic needs and if people are still dying itís not poverty itís preferences. We have to acknowledge that people have different discount rates.

    Www.humanprogress.org

    ^ lots of data about how absolute poverty, particularly on a global scale, is plummeting thanks to rule of law, property rights, and capitalism. Others mentioned that hoarders are the problem... allowing people to hoard is what allows for production in the first place. Absolute poverty is leaps and bounds better than ever before and a continued increase in production will continue to drive the cost of basic needs lower and lower.

    That being said, relative poverty comes with all this production and if people are covetous and care about what their neighbor has that they donít then in those terms someone will always be poor. But their ancestors may find this attitude very petty as even the kings and queens used to not even have a toilet to shit in.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Leviticus Cornwall View Post
    Absolute poverty is leaps and bounds better than ever before and a continued increase in production will continue to drive the cost of basic needs lower and lower.
    There is no reason for production to continually increase when it is governed by profit. What has instead historically happened is a limited supply forcing prices up and demand down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epitomity View Post
    There is no reason for production to continually increase when it is governed by profit. What has instead historically happened is a limited supply forcing prices up and demand down.
    Assuming people want more stuff there is incentive to put more of that stuff on the market. Therefore the goal of innovation is to find more efficient ways of making stuff. More efficient ways means cheaper stuff that more can buy. And whoever makes the stuff gets filthy rich in the process.

    (I.e. VW is a much more profitable car brand then Bugatti)


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