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    How do you confuse yourself for ESFP? Sure, they have all the same functions but it appears that ENTJ mostly use Te and Ni and ESFP use Se and Fi. People don't use their third and fourth as much as their first two functions.
    Last edited by Master_Star; 04-18-2019 at 05:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master_Star View Post
    How do you confuse yourself for ESFP? Sure, they have all the same functions but it appears that ENTJ mostly use Te and Ni and ESFP use Se and Fi. People don't use their third and fourth as much as their first two functions.

    The stereotypes around these two types are kind of fucked up. Some of the traits that people believe to be typical for the ENTJ are actually ESFP traits. Like I said, you have to read the socionics descriptions for the two types to understand my point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
    The stereotypes around these two types are kind of fucked up. Some of the traits that people believe to be typical for the ENTJ are actually ESFP traits. Like I said, you have to read the socionics descriptions for the two types to understand my point of view.
    My best friend has been typed by yours truly as ESFP.
    He is a "fuck it go for it" kind of dude - like you'd see in a ESTP. Like an ESTP he's hyper and energetic but he can be more emo, I think ESTP are more consistent with their moods.

    The difference between ESTPs and him is he's very good with people, he's very good with understanding emotional climate and making people think he cares for them. His skill with people dwarfs mine and it's kind of natural (he also reads about sales) but like me - it's not really "butterflies and rainbows" meaning it's not that he "feels" what he says to people he is just good at playing the game. I'd say his "caring" for most people is on par with me however his social network and the people that love him is huge.

    Contrasting him with a doc who is an ESTP - there is a finesse with ESFPs to persuade you to do things. ESTPs are more likely to insist and impose their will on you which not everyone is receptive to - I find them pushy. But both are risk takers and both make more mistakes that seem obvious to me as bad ideas but they dust themselves off pretty well and push ahead.

    ESTPs have their fans and ESFPs have their giant social network. ENTJs are more business like socially. Polite when you meet them, maybe even charming but there just isn't the endurance you'd see in an ESFP for that sort of thing. My ESFP friend thinks I'm very good with people and says that there isn't anyone of his friends that's ever spoken bad about me and he never has to coax me to interact with people but the difference is the endurance and desire to be in that environment.

    One of the biggest reasons I typed myself as INTx prior was my mom and closest friends are hugely extroverted. I have huge extroverts in my family - they will talk to a rock. So I fixated on them and said yeah there is no way I am extroverted, what I failed to do was look at how many people I view as "socially challenged" they seem almost entirely unaware of how they're expected to behave and can't handle conflict and lack grace. Most people are ambiverts and I am very close to the median I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NT the DC View Post
    My best friend has been typed by yours truly as ESFP.
    He is a "fuck it go for it" kind of dude - like you'd see in a ESTP. Like an ESTP he's hyper and energetic but he can be more emo, I think ESTP are more consistent with their moods.

    The difference between ESTPs and him is he's very good with people, he's very good with understanding emotional climate and making people think he cares for them. His skill with people dwarfs mine and it's kind of natural (he also reads about sales) but like me - it's not really "butterflies and rainbows" meaning it's not that he "feels" what he says to people he is just good at playing the game. I'd say his "caring" for most people is on par with me however his social network and the people that love him is huge.

    Contrasting him with a doc who is an ESTP - there is a finesse with ESFPs to persuade you to do things. ESTPs are more likely to insist and impose their will on you which not everyone is receptive to - I find them pushy. But both are risk takers and both make more mistakes that seem obvious to me as bad ideas but they dust themselves off pretty well and push ahead.

    ESTPs have their fans and ESFPs have their giant social network. ENTJs are more business like socially. Polite when you meet them, maybe even charming but there just isn't the endurance you'd see in an ESFP for that sort of thing. My ESFP friend thinks I'm very good with people and says that there isn't anyone of his friends that's ever spoken bad about me and he never has to coax me to interact with people but the difference is the endurance and desire to be in that environment.

    One of the biggest reasons I typed myself as INTx prior was my mom and closest friends are hugely extroverted. I have huge extroverts in my family - they will talk to a rock. So I fixated on them and said yeah there is no way I am extroverted, what I failed to do was look at how many people I view as "socially challenged" they seem almost entirely unaware of how they're expected to behave and can't handle conflict and lack grace. Most people are ambiverts and I am very close to the median I'd say.
    The ESFP I know is very similar to your friend. He's good with people and I'd describe him as more of a smooth talking politician than the ESFP stereotype of someone who's not so bright and only interested in partying, going out, etc. I honestly think the ESFP MBTI type descriptions are completely biased and off-base.

    I scored INTJ in basically all of my MBTI test results and I'm not that extroverted as well. I'm more of an ambivert, though sometimes I'm closer to an introvert because I find large social groups energy draining to be honest. I prefer one-on-one communication. I don't think I could ever work a crowd or room like my ESFP friend, I'd describe myself as socially more business-like and polite or friendly. A forced smile or fake laughter in conversation is actually kind of awkward for me because I'm not really expressive. Ultimately, I'm an ENTJ and not INTJ because I struggle more with inferior Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asd456 View Post
    The ESFP I know is very similar to your friend. He's good with people and I'd describe him as more of a smooth talking politician than the ESFP stereotype of someone who's not so bright and only interested in partying, going out, etc. I honestly think the ESFP MBTI type descriptions are completely biased and off-base.

    I scored INTJ in basically all of my MBTI test results and I'm not that extroverted as well. I'm more of an ambivert, though sometimes I'm closer to an introvert because I find large social groups energy draining to be honest. I prefer one-on-one communication. I don't think I could ever work a crowd or room like my ESFP friend, I'd describe myself as socially more business-like and polite or friendly. A forced smile or fake laughter in conversation is actually kind of awkward for me because I'm not really expressive. Ultimately, I'm an ENTJ and not INTJ because I struggle more with inferior Fi.
    Yeah, I'd say we're peas in a pod with inferior Fi and not being high on the extroversion spectrum. I can force a smile I cannot fake laugh, except online lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NT the DC View Post
    Yeah, I'd say we're peas in a pod with inferior Fi and not being high on the extroversion spectrum. I can force a smile I cannot fake laugh, except online lol.
    Can you pull off a genuine forced smile though? I've been told mine is either awk or painful. Haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asd456 View Post
    Can you pull off a genuine forced smile though? I've been told mine is either awk or painful. Haha.
    Yeah my smile is pretty solid. Fake as fuck but solid.
    I have to give a ton of them on daily basis because of work so it's likely believable by now.
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    I was in a relationship with someone who typed by the Keirsey questionnaire as an ESFP.

    I think it fits him, but there is a lot wrong with the stereotypes about ESFP, if so.

    Like, he did lean towards 'action' but he also very much followed a path and had a sense of greater purpose (probably Fi and Ni). I would not associate him with the stereotype except that he was pretty good, physically, under the covers.

    But his purpose was much more feeling oriented--and he had trouble articulating it, but it was something that reached from his childhood and continued, as a dream. I have a lot of admiration for this.

    He also had a sort of reservedness or almost inaccessibility that I'm not sure if it was similar to NTJs.

    But then, I've never really known someone that closely who's an NT. I've been in relationships with an SFP and an SFJ.

    I do think there are a lot of similarities but they probably wouldn't be immediately apparent. But I don't have a lot of experience with NTs. I just think that ESFPs deserve a little bit more credit than their stereotype gives.
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    ENTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by NT the DC View Post
    Yeah my smile is pretty solid. Fake as fuck but solid.
    I have to give a ton of them on daily basis because of work so it's likely believable by now.
    So it can be done. You just inspired me to work on my fake smile more.

    Quote Originally Posted by MeltedSorbet View Post
    I was in a relationship with someone who typed by the Keirsey questionnaire as an ESFP.

    I think it fits him, but there is a lot wrong with the stereotypes about ESFP, if so.

    Like, he did lean towards 'action' but he also very much followed a path and had a sense of greater purpose (probably Fi and Ni). I would not associate him with the stereotype except that he was pretty good, physically, under the covers.

    But his purpose was much more feeling oriented--and he had trouble articulating it, but it was something that reached from his childhood and continued, as a dream. I have a lot of admiration for this.

    He also had a sort of reservedness or almost inaccessibility that I'm not sure if it was similar to NTJs.

    But then, I've never really known someone that closely who's an NT. I've been in relationships with an SFP and an SFJ.

    I do think there are a lot of similarities but they probably wouldn't be immediately apparent. But I don't have a lot of experience with NTs. I just think that ESFPs deserve a little bit more credit than their stereotype gives.
    There's a general bias in the MBTI community where S is portrayed less favorable than N. Ironic, because MBTI is supposed to help foster understanding and better communication but instead is also used as a label to perpetuate stereotypes and create divisiveness.

    I think the reservedness or inaccessibility has to do with Ni. For me, I want to know the general pattern or history of a person first before I open up. But I can also see reservedness being Fi related too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asd456 View Post
    So it can be done. You just inspired me to work on my fake smile more.



    There's a general bias in the MBTI community where S is portrayed less favorable than N. Ironic, because MBTI is supposed to help foster understanding and better communication but instead is also used as a label to perpetuate stereotypes and create divisiveness.

    I think the reservedness or inaccessibility has to do with Ni. For me, I want to know the general pattern or history of a person first before I open up. But I can also see reservedness being Fi related too.

    Yeah--so maybe ESFP which have Fi and Ni (I guess ENTJs have Ni and Fi in the same positions, but switched) could also be very reserved. But maybe Fi aux leads itself to being more reserved--idk.

    I think the sterotypes are wildly off when it comes to my ex--he's action oriented (Se) but he's also got a very personal vision (Fi/Ni) that is very Ni?). And overall, a very emotionally distant person.

    I feel like I can be reserved and others describe me as quiet, but I often feel like I am an open book--because I want people to understand each other, including me. Whereas for my ESFP ex, the reservedness was much more serious and impenetrable.

    I just feel like ESFPs need more respect in typology communities--they are pretty amazing. I wouldn't think of the stereotype of ENTJ (I've never really known an NTJ irl that I know of) as being similar to the stereotype of ESFP, but perhaps they are more similar without the stereotypes.

    Edit: Perhaps I should say that I cannot force a smile or fake a laugh--I am terrible in photos. I think it might be related to Fi but who even knows. I often type as INFP as well, but also ENFP, which is what I'm typed as in the forum. I think this is common among INFPs, so maybe it has to do with Fi, idk.
    Last edited by MeltedSorbet; 04-23-2019 at 11:48 PM.
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