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This is a discussion on Efficiency within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Entjs are noted for their efficiency. As someone who has struggled with this, I was wondering how you guys stay ...

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Efficiency

    Entjs are noted for their efficiency. As someone who has struggled with this, I was wondering how you guys stay efficient? Do you only do things when you feel you can accomplish them? Or have set goals and timeframes? An external planner?
    Thankyou 🙂



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    https://www.personalitycafe.com/entj...imisation.html

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    It's automatic on my part. I get on my own case when even unloading the dishwasher, if it's not handled in the most efficient manner as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logical Ambivert Feeler View Post
    Entjs are noted for their efficiency. As someone who has struggled with this, I was wondering how you guys stay efficient? Do you only do things when you feel you can accomplish them? Or have set goals and timeframes? An external planner?
    Thankyou 🙂
    Well, it comes to us effortlessly and naturally due to Te, our dominant function. I suppose it would be more helpful if I told you in greater detail how this works.

    It's like this. Let's take an example (this really happened with me and an ENFJ coworker) and see what happens: say you are at work and you need to use the printer, but you've never used that printer before. She wanted to print a birthday card on coloured paper and she couldn't make it work, so she asked me to do it. I have also never used that printer before, but the Te-Ni combo helps me solve the problem. First I looked at the error and I notice some things about the way the paper is distributed in the treys. Also, I know that I have to use coloured paper (there was also white paper). So my mind automatically generates the following solution: to make sure that the printer will only use coloured paper, I removed all the paper except the one I needed it to use. This way the printer has no choice but to use the coloured paper. Problem solved!

    Now, all of this happens automatically. I don't have to stop and think about it, to ponder or plan. It's automatic. Are you familiar with flowcharts?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowchart

    They are ways of representing logically processes. My mind does something like this when it encounters a problem. I decompose the problem into its parts and use abstract concepts to widen the scope. What do I mean? Say the problem is print the birthday card... what do I need? I need a working printer with toner and coloured paper. That's all I need and nothing else. This why I won't look for anything that might complicate the job, but isn't essential. Only the essential stuff matters. The "abstract concepts to widen the scope" part means this: if I need to cut something, I won't say I need a knife, but I widen it by saying I need an object capable of cutting (it can be a knife or anything really, as long as it gets the job done). Scissors can work, sometimes my keys can do the trick... this way I get more uses out of things and fully use all the tools at my disposal to solve the problem. This is important, because not defining the problem in a very specific manner, I can use more things to get the job done. My effectiveness is dependent on this ability: giving wide abstract definitions to problems (thus getting more tools to solve the job) and summarising what is needed in a strict minimal manner (thus not over-complicating what the task actually is). If I think I need a knife, I might overlook scissors which could also get the job done. This is why one should widen the definitions of what is necessary.

    Allow me to give you another example. There was this training exercise and we had a task to do and I was heading one team and an ISFP the other. And we had the task of taking tennis balls and putting 5 rubber bands around them and the fastest team would win. I won, because my team simply took all the 5 bands and put them at once. The ISFP wanted to arrange them in an aesthetic manner to have them evenly spaced... But that wasn't the task. The task was finish quickly, not make it pretty. Don't assume things that aren't explicitly specified! Yes, his tennis balls looked better, but that wasn't part of the task. This is why focus on the strict bare minimum to get the task done.

    So, in short... these are the 2 keys to effectiveness in my view:
    1. Widen definitions for tools to have more at your disposal
    2. Restrict definitions on tasks to the bare essentials
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    Pretty much what strelnikov said, you deconstruct something complex into small bite-sized chunks that are easy to deal with.
    This happens near automatically as or when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strelnikov View Post
    This is important, because not defining the problem in a very specific manner, I can use more things to get the job done. My effectiveness is dependent on this ability: giving wide abstract definitions to problems (thus getting more tools to solve the job) and summarising what is needed in a strict minimal manner (thus not over-complicating what the task actually is).

    So, in short... these are the 2 keys to effectiveness in my view:
    1. Widen definitions for tools to have more at your disposal
    2. Restrict definitions on tasks to the bare essentials
    Ha. Another printer issue to further illustrate efficient problem solving:

    Manager tried to print a document, but it wouldn't print, gave an error saying 'out of paper'. He checked the paper tray and there was indeed paper. Confused, he tried printing again. Same error. Client was waiting on him for documents, not know what do!

    I told him to use the 2nd printer while I checked the error (most expedient to get client the documents). He did so... then discovered the same error on that printer. He assumed it was something wrong with the printer, but both printers giving the same error is suspicious, so I checked the error code in the menu and it stated that the document required a special size paper. He claimed the document was standard size. It also said it needed to be inserted in a pull out tray, so I figured that was why it gave the error 'out of paper' since that tray was not being used. I put the regular paper in the special tray and it printed fine. A print setting on his file was the cause, so fixing that was the next step once the client was out the door.

    It's about assessing the most pertinent need for the situation, defining the precise problem/obstacle to that need, and searching for the most efficient/appropriate tools to solve it.

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    I might add that I have observed my ENTJ husband multitasks almost constanly and way better than I do. Im just as good as him at problem solving, I just dont implement the solution as quicly as he does. Also I try to solve things the way I think is right, but have no concept of time and dont realize as Im thinking, hes acting. (Of course sometimes his solutuon doesnt work and then we try mine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logical Ambivert Feeler View Post
    Entjs are noted for their efficiency. As someone who has struggled with this, I was wondering how you guys stay efficient? Do you only do things when you feel you can accomplish them? Or have set goals and timeframes? An external planner?
    Thankyou 🙂
    It's about looking at the whole and things that need to be done to achieve it.
    Organizing the key components and the things that can be cut out.
    Then it's about prioritizing their importance or order in which to tackle it.

    I think what is missing for many in long term goals is the idea of - time.
    People think oh it's going to take so much time to get to that goal.
    What they miss is that time passes regardless of if you're working towards a goal or sitting on your ass.
    If you prioritize sitting on your ass and seeing where you end up in 5 years that is cool.
    If you prioritize working towards something so that in 5 years you've achieved a goal that is cool.
    Some people are content easier - the motivation comes from within and it's either there or it's not.
    They'll use mental gymnastics to convince themselves the things they wanted 5 years ago are pipe dreams and nothing they need to be happy. Others look at it like - fuck this sucks but I will be done with with this shit in 4 years, 1 year, 1 month, only 5 more hours!

    And nah man I don't only set goals I know I can achieve. I update my goals as I achieve. As the time passes you'll want to achieve things the younger version of yourself thought was impossible.

    My self talk when things suck:
    1) You eat the elephant one bite at time (for big time consuming projects)
    2) This shitty stuff is just like a annoying level on a video game, it's just a test I will fucking smoke this level and be stronger for it (for things that you cannot control but have to deal with).
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    ENTJ

    I've felt a little bothered by the famous characteristic of efficiency attributed to entj for a long time. It's just something I do without thinking about that comes naturally and at times it's totally absent (like when I am intentionally wasting my time on an absent minded task because its fun). Intj and intp forwardly and precisely work towards efficient systems - they are actually enraged by ones lacking efficiency. I find myself weirdly ok with things that waste time and resources but if I'm in charge of them will start to polish those things out. I'm not a minimalist in removing all charm out of a task or system if its relatively unimportant in the scheme of things.
    So yeah, it feels like a weird trait to be described as integral to entj. Or even noticable because that's not what other people notice. Other Te users are pretty good at efficiency themselves they dont care for the particular way I do it. Entj wants something done it gets done in the time frame and quality one thinks it deserves.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    You just arrange the various attendant subtasks in a logical order and plow through it.

    I will give you a crude example.... think of taking a dump. There are a bunch of subtasks involved.

    1) Walk to the bathroom.
    2) Find an empty stall that has toilet paper available, and is relatively clean.
    3) Go in the stall.
    4) Shut the door.
    5) Put the toilet liner on the toilet seat.
    6) Take your pants down.
    7) Sit down on the toilet.
    8) Empty your rectum into the toilet bowl.
    9) Wipe until your ass is clean.
    10) Stand up.
    11) Pull your pants up.
    12) Flush.
    13) Open the stall door.
    14) Walk out of the stall to the sinks.
    15) Stand in front of a sink that doesn't have anyone using it already.
    16) Turn the water on.
    17) Put soap on your hands.
    18) Rub your hands together under the water until the soap is gone.
    19) Turn off the water.
    20) Grab a paper towel
    21) Dry your hands.
    22) Throw the paper towel away.
    23) Walk to the door of the restroom.
    24) Open the door.
    25) Walk out.

    There are minor variations to this which are still workable. For example, if you're a germaphobe, you will take longer at 18, then skip to 20, then 21, then do 19 with the paper towel wad without touching the faucet handle with your hands again.

    But this is an outline of the logical order, and should roughly follow this pattern. For example, you wouldn't walk into the stall, sit down without taking your pants down first, shit yourself, then get up, leave the restroom, and take your pants down out in the hall. Lol.

    Now, that might be a first-rate way to get fired, get security called on you, or probably both.

    But that's not the goal, is it?

    The goal is to take a shit and get back to work, without bad hygiene and/or a major fracas ensuing.


    Disclaimer: I am drunk. Thank you.


     
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