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This is a discussion on Ask an ENTJ a question within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Topple What's one of your most awkward moments? Surely something motor skill related....

  1. #1001

    Quote Originally Posted by Topple View Post
    What's one of your most awkward moments?
    Surely something motor skill related.

  2. #1002

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    I'm thinking not to 'think', really, but to separate the debris of thoughts from what I really want/feel. Fi is close to the surface for ENFPs, (I am assuming) they need not to dig deep to know/name what they feel. Not so with ENTJs (not this one, anyway).
    That's interesting, I would say that for ENFPs it is the exact opposite (well, for me, anyways). My "logical thoughts" are buried deep down beneath my feelings. I have to go on a deep sea expedition just to figure out why X or Y made me sad - and sometimes, it's just not worth it, because even if I know the logical reasoning behind my emotions, I can't stop them from occurring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    My 'thinking' is me getting rid of the 'thinking' part. The process is a pain, troublesome and it takes awhile so I avoid doing that unless I have to.
    And I think that's what is so difficult - your 'thinking' self is a very, very big part of you, as it is with all ENTJs. Getting rid of the 'thinking' part is like forcing yourself to step out of your own brain for a while. It's really hard, but I guess everyone has to learn to do that eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    If it is (you are) important enough, (I think/believe) your ENTJ will find a way to process and communicate their feelings. Especially when they recognize that it's important for you.
    We both try to be sensitive to one another; I try to communicate logically/rationally, he tries to be more sensitive to my feelings. But he doesn't open up about his so much. I was curious if this was just him or a general ENTJ thing! Now I know.

    Thanks everyone!

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by enfpeeved View Post
    That's interesting, I would say that for ENFPs it is the exact opposite (well, for me, anyways). My "logical thoughts" are buried deep down beneath my feelings. I have to go on a deep sea expedition just to figure out why X or Y made me sad - and sometimes, it's just not worth it, because even if I know the logical reasoning behind my emotions, I can't stop them from occurring.
    That's figuring out feelings for me, it's often not worth it. And most of the time, it's irrelevant/not that important anyway, but not so when dealing with personal relationships with a Feeler.

    We both try to be sensitive to one another; I try to communicate logically/rationally, he tries to be more sensitive to my feelings. But he doesn't open up about his so much. I was curious if this was just him or a general ENTJ thing! Now I know.
    As long you can tell between '(genuinely) trying to be sensitive' and 'saying he's trying to be sensitive'. If he doesn't open up about his feelings much, change the question(s). Ask what he's going to do with the situation/what actions he plans to take next. Those are infinitely easier questions to answer and maybe most relevant for you, if you're still figuring out where he stands.
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  4. #1004
    Unknown

    Were you quick to get hurt as a child? Was there someone that bullied you for being a crybaby? What made you not want to appear weak? When did you start to value Te and neglect Fi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    Were you quick to get hurt as a child? Was there someone that bullied you for being a crybaby?
    Oh, hell no. Pitty the poor child who tried.

    What made you not want to appear weak?
    As a child? Not sure. Just always had this sort of "you can't break me" attitude.
    ENTJ/Type 8 two-year old. (my poor parents).

    When did you start to value Te and neglect Fi?
    It's not so much that an effort was made to neglect Fi. It just wasn't developed.
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  6. #1006

    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    Were you quick to get hurt as a child?
    Not hurt, but frustrated.

    As a child it's hard to see the logic in parents or others telling you no about certain things. This was very easily frustrating.
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  7. #1007
    ENTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    Were you quick to get hurt as a child?
    Physically or emotionally? In both cases, no. Partly because I was forced to mature very fast due to my family situation and partly because I never cared about games that could potentially harm me. If I did something silly as a child (like climbing fences), I made all the calculations necessary to figure out if it's safe enough to try. E.g. What material is the fence made out of? How does it hold together? Can it potentially carry my weight? etc. I never had anything broken in my whole life.

    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    Was there someone that bullied you for being a crybaby?
    No. I was never into expressing my emotions. I was bullied for a few months but I didn't care. They were just kids and did it because it entertained them not because they were malicious. After a while they stopped because I simply didn't give a damn. It seemed pointless to care, their behaviour was highly illogical.

    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    What made you not want to appear weak?
    I guess I never cared about that. Whenever there was a problem or something like that, I immediately tried to find the root and problem solving. I also always admired strong and smart people. So, I would say it was never about me not appearing weak but about me actually being strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by jkp View Post
    When did you start to value Te and neglect Fi?
    Um.. Never? I never really "valued" Te, it's a part of me. If you're asking when I started being logical, I always was. Ever since I learned how to read, my favourite literature was non-fiction and I enjoyed collecting knowledge. I was always trying to find the most logical reason/solution for everything. My mom once told me that ever since kindergarten I would stop to think about doing something while all kids hurried to do it. Ever since I could remember, my mind operated on a "Is this logical?" basis.

    Seems like you're working here with some really weird hypothesis that ENTJs can't be born only manufactured.
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  8. #1008
    Unknown

    I got the idea from my cousin. He said I made him ENTJ by bullying him when he showed weakness. He said I was his role model and because of my attitude he started to suppress his emotions (sadness, shame and anger) and worked on developing logic. We hang out during the summer for many years, I am 4 1/2 years older. I was always testing his breaking point, told him to stop being so hurt and irritated all the time, he got pissed off like why are you such a fucking dick all the time, wanted to kill me and then cried when he had no power over me, I think I never physically abused him, just bored and wanted someone to tease...
    I understand why he was hurt, I would probably feel the same way, if someone I looked up to was trolling me. I joked about how therapists could point at me when he has problems accepting that people are emotionally attachment to him (his idea, idk).

    We get along great. He is now becoming my role model, in a way. I'm not sure how, if my friends like my forceful Te though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prada View Post
    Seems like you're working here with some really weird hypothesis that ENTJs can't be born only manufactured.
    I'm often pondering, if the N-S axis only go deterministic into one function axis (unchangeable) when a person is born. Maybe even the judging ones lol... I know the main factors are genetic triggers and brain wiring, but makes me question how far can the potential of certain genes be expressed in terms of what we call cognitive function use. How much does it have to do with ancestry... I have read peoples posts explaining how they switched functions through their life, maybe a predisposition to genetic changes due to reaching of certain age.

    Anyways, appreciate the answers.

  9. #1009
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I'm wondering how many ENTJ's are Enneagram 8?

    I'm an INTP 8, and can't seem to relate to many INTP's.

  10. #1010
    ENTJ


    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    I'm wondering how many ENTJ's are Enneagram 8?

    I'm an INTP 8, and can't seem to relate to many INTP's.
    Yo!

    8w7.


     
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