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This is a discussion on Ask an ENTJ a question within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by mangodelic psycho This is a different kind of asshole than what furry is describing bellow; I wouldn't ...

  1. #2001

    Quote Originally Posted by mangodelic psycho View Post
    This is a different kind of asshole than what furry is describing bellow; I wouldn't even consider telling someone that their idea sucks or that it needs reformatting, being an asshole. But TJs have to make it perfect, and the only person who can do this is themselves, so they're being assholes, indermining and treating others as incompetent, because it's a control thing? Not sure. As soon as the task is over, they go back to their usual, jovial self, until the next "challenge". Thoughts?
    *sigh* How you say something is to some, as important or more important than what you're actually saying. Telling someone, "Your idea sucks!" is both an asshole thing to say and it's completely non-constructive feedback and is pointless to say to someone. If you approached the same person and said, "Well, your idea will have some difficult problems here and we don't have the resources for that so we can't follow up on this idea. We have this idea which will be less problematic, we have the resources and will go on to meet our stated goals more closely. Because of that, we're with *person*''s idea instead." that is way more constructive and less assholish than saying someone's idea sucks without explaining why. Oh and the TJ stereotyping you're doing sounds nothing like me and is definitely not typical ENTJ behavior. Such a place sounds dysfunctional once clear roles were established and it sounds to me that people need to be reshuffled around.

    At any rate, I would blame such dysfunction on poor management in general.

  2. #2002
    ENFJ

    What's new, anything exciting?

  3. #2003
    Unknown

    Quote Originally Posted by HGy View Post
    What's new, anything exciting?
    I'm seeing an INFP--they're exciting It's the Fi-Ne, though, more Fi than Ne that gets me.
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  4. #2004
    INFP - The Idealists

    How do I spot an ENTJ in the normal life, school, work etc. when I do not know the people that well?

  5. #2005
    ISFP

    My Boss he said he is ENTJ and recently found out the MBTI and now try to explain everything with MBTI or Jungian theory. eg. you don't have NT so you cannot do what I can do so you need to improve this. or you are F so you cannot make a clear decision. Is it real ENTJ personality? If ENTJ believes in something, something becomes everything?

  6. #2006

    Quote Originally Posted by savewith View Post
    My Boss he said he is ENTJ and recently found out the MBTI and now try to explain everything with MBTI or Jungian theory. eg. you don't have NT so you cannot do what I can do so you need to improve this. or you are F so you cannot make a clear decision. Is it real ENTJ personality? If ENTJ believes in something, something becomes everything?

    I'm chiming in as a third party type for unbiased'ness.

    To survive, try to adapt to this point as best you can:

    ENTJ's don't "believe" - they "think".


    MBTI is verifiable to many ENTJ's way of thinking, therefore they will utilize it. By virtue of him being your boss, so will you.


    It's true that no type can do what another type does best... totally true.

    But you are great at the category of life that your type is best at (the categories are quite wide, this is not pigeonholing).

    As an F, that doesn't mean you can't make decisions by any means... just that your decisions are based on moral values, and sometimes that doesn't translate to the workplace well.
    Sometimes it does. It's all about situational appropriateness.

    So your tertiary Te, along with aux Se, are your best functions to use at work.
    Learning a bunch about MBTI yourself will help you learn to differentiate which functions you are using at any given time, and then be more intentional about focusing on your Se-Te while working.

    You can politely stick up for yourself / your type, by focusing on what you are good at while having conversations with him.
    Fi might not always be useful in many work scenarios... but you have every right to expect your boss to be somewhat diplomatic when redirecting your focus to what's needed.
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  7. #2007
    ISFP

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebecca.M View Post
    I'm chiming in as a third party type for unbiased'ness.

    To survive, try to adapt to this point as best you can:

    ENTJ's don't "believe" - they "think".


    MBTI is verifiable to many ENTJ's way of thinking, therefore they will utilize it. By virtue of him being your boss, so will you.


    It's true that no type can do what another type does best... totally true.

    But you are great at the category of life that your type is best at (the categories are quite wide, this is not pigeonholing).

    As an F, that doesn't mean you can't make decisions by any means... just that your decisions are based on moral values, and sometimes that doesn't translate to the workplace well.
    Sometimes it does. It's all about situational appropriateness.

    So your tertiary Te, along with aux Se, are your best functions to use at work.
    Learning a bunch about MBTI yourself will help you learn to differentiate which functions you are using at any given time, and then be more intentional about focusing on your Se-Te while working.

    You can politely stick up for yourself / your type, by focusing on what you are good at while having conversations with him.
    Fi might not always be useful in many work scenarios... but you have every right to expect your boss to be somewhat diplomatic when redirecting your focus to what's needed.
    Thank you for the explanation. Now he THINKS that the MBTI does not work 100% after he did the calculation and concluded that it works around 60% and he needs to see the actual results from the person.

  8. #2008

    Quote Originally Posted by savewith View Post
    Thank you for the explanation. Now he THINKS that the MBTI does not work 100% after he did the calculation and concluded that it works around 60% and he needs to see the actual results from the person.

    A system is only as successful as it's implementation.

    As a Te dom, why isn't he looking up official MBTI stats? Instead of making up his own? Just curious.

  9. #2009
    ISFP

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebecca.M View Post
    A system is only as successful as it's implementation.

    As a Te dom, why isn't he looking up official MBTI stats? Instead of making up his own? Just curious.

    He was calculating with the percentages (eg.E 85, I 15) to see how strong dominant function the person has.

    for example, one of our colleagues E85 N53 F63 J58.
    Dominant: Fe 74% from (85(E)+63(F))/2
    Auxiliary Ni 34%
    Tertiary: Se 66%
    Inferior: Ti 26%

    and in my case - I52 S69 F57 P67
    Dominant: Fi 54.5%
    Auxiliary: Se 58.5%
    Tertiary: Ni 41.5%
    Inferior: Te 45.5%

    according to this calculation my auxiliary function is higher than dominant one so he thinks that my data is wrong.
    and he sum up all 4 numbers and divide by 4 and that is the how strong the personality is (I feel it works quite okay).

    anyway, it seems that he will use less of this MBTI thing.

  10. #2010

    Quote Originally Posted by savewith View Post
    He was calculating with the percentages (eg.E 85, I 15) to see how strong dominant function the person has.

    The percentages aren't about the strength of the function... they are about the degree of certainty of the user that those are the functions they use.

    MBTI utilizes a self reporting test.
    That means the user has to know themselves to get an accurate result.

    The test isn't a brain scan (while I'm sure those will be coming to shrinks offices eventually, LOL), so it can't measure the actual function in action, just the persons perception of it.

    A great book to pick up is Dr. Dario Nardi's "Neuroscience of Personality".
    In it, he shows the results from his studies using EEG to monitor brainwave patterns... where he found significant correlation to people's MBTI type.

    It's a worthy read, and might help your boss approach MBTI more accurately.
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