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This is a discussion on Ask an ENTJ a question within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by sprinkle That wasn't me. I'm the cameraman. Accomplice to leocide is still a crime. Originally Posted by ...

  1. #2511

    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkle View Post
    That wasn't me. I'm the cameraman.
    Accomplice to leocide is still a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stawker View Post
    That reminds me of a conversation I had with an INTJ friend. I abruptly confessed, 'I don't understand the notion of privacy'. He was incredulous. I explained that in things that are deemed 'private' there can either be secrets (such as the likes you wouldn't want the police knowing) or your own stupidity. Why you would want to hide your secrets is sensible, but why people feel the need to hide details about their sex life, or other 'arbitrary' stuff which every normal human being engages in, is just beyond me. I can only conclude that the phrase 'it's private' only means: you need to spend more time with me, or I'm fucking stupid. Privacy, then, is subterfuge. Notice that wherever you use the phrase 'it's private', you can also simply lie without repercussions. Of course it does not entail that I should be willing to give people my address or other detail which they can use to 'materially' exploit me. But I want to limit it to the language-games involving privacy. It's nonsense. There's nothing that is 'private' which can also be put into words. And whatever can be put into words, is not private.

    The INTJ came out thinking I was autistic or something. But soon enough, he noticed what I meant. The word 'private' is arbitrary, it's accepted arbitrarily, and is always a replacement of a lie, a subterfuge, or simply an unwillingness to indulge in some topic.
    I love it when people understand the way I think. I agree on practical matters, but in personal matters, nothing is gained through defensiveness.
    I'm an open book.
    Lately a lot of people have been asking about my personal problems. I do not like talking about that shit. I do not associate with my hindrances, and prefer to look ahead to where I am going than to focus on where I'm stuck. But given a choice of being polite and answering or acting like an evasive emo bitch, I'd honestly feel less pathetic talking about things that make me uncomfortable than acting like a weakling who cannot handle things that are uncomfortable.
    A Siegfried who is confident in his battle prowess need not hide his weak point, even if the person it's hardest to admit to is himself.

    I've actually gained further insight into this since owning a rabbit. Prey animals will hide when they are ill, even from the people they rely on to help them. Instinct not to show weakness. Anybody who's owned a cat however knows they'd rather throw up where their human will see it than keep it secret. They care about how they feel, but not what you think about them.
    Incidentally, the girl I was referring to always complained I have no shame. I fail to see how this is an insult. If I am ashamed of something, I do not do it. If I do, I take responsibility. Living secretly in shame seems far more shame-perpetuating to me than dealing with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by FearAndTrembling View Post
    Hegel and Nietzsche are both NFJ commonly mistyped as NTJ. This is total Te and Fi devaluing.
    It's been said that there are as many interpretations of Nietzsche as there are people who have read him.
    Yet Fe-user is not one I'd ever expect.
    And mind you, you can find many more Te quotes valuing actions based on efficacy. Nietzsche loved taking apart anything established to the point that had he lived another thirty years, he'd have been attacking himself more ardently than he ever went after Wagner or Christianity.
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  2. #2512
    ISTJ


    @Ikusagami "Accomplice to leocide is still a crime. "



    NOT SO INNOCENT AFTERALL... MUAHHAHAHAH

  3. #2513

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikusagami View Post
    Accomplice to leocide is still a crime.



    I love it when people understand the way I think. I agree on practical matters, but in personal matters, nothing is gained through defensiveness.
    I'm an open book.
    Lately a lot of people have been asking about my personal problems. I do not like talking about that shit. I do not associate with my hindrances, and prefer to look ahead to where I am going than to focus on where I'm stuck. But given a choice of being polite and answering or acting like an evasive emo bitch, I'd honestly feel less pathetic talking about things that make me uncomfortable than acting like a weakling who cannot handle things that are uncomfortable.
    A Siegfried who is confident in his battle prowess need not hide his weak point, even if the person it's hardest to admit to is himself.

    I've actually gained further insight into this since owning a rabbit. Prey animals will hide when they are ill, even from the people they rely on to help them. Instinct not to show weakness. Anybody who's owned a cat however knows they'd rather throw up where their human will see it than keep it secret. They care about how they feel, but not what you think about them.
    Incidentally, the girl I was referring to always complained I have no shame. I fail to see how this is an insult. If I am ashamed of something, I do not do it. If I do, I take responsibility. Living secretly in shame seems far more shame-perpetuating to me than dealing with it.



    It's been said that there are as many interpretations of Nietzsche as there are people who have read him.
    Yet Fe-user is not one I'd ever expect.
    And mind you, you can find many more Te quotes valuing actions based on efficacy. Nietzsche loved taking apart anything established to the point that had he lived another thirty years, he'd have been attacking himself more ardently than he ever went after Wagner or Christianity.

    Nietzsche said there are no truths, just interpretations. I associate that kind of relativist thinking with Ti and Fe.

    Nietzsche seems to have lower thinking to me. As does Hegel. Compare them to Kant or Spinoza. Those guys are thinkers. I have said before that lower thinking is "muffled". Like there is something in front of it blocking it. Not making it as clear. Like feeling and intuition. There is a cottage industry just on understanding these guys. Hegel is known particularly for being incomprehensible. William James said Hegel didnt make sense until he was high on nitrous. lol. Then he is like, "So THAT's what Hegel is talking about."

    Here is a Socionics thread on Hegel. In Socionics, an ENFJ as has more Te than Ti.

    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

    "What is actual is rational and what is rational is actual" is like the biggest Ni-Ti statement I ever heard.
    Last edited by FearAndTrembling; 03-30-2017 at 01:37 PM.

  4. #2514
    ENTJ


    @FearAndTrembling

    Establish the contrast between what it claims to explain, and what it actually explains, and that's how you differentiate between a failed hypothesis and a good one. Newtonian Mechanics claimed to explain the entire universe but they only explained the Earth *shrug emoji*

    As for typology, I'm not too familiar with the theory to comment. Yes, I only get my fun out of it by 'comparing' types.

    @Ikusagami

    My mom once caught me looking at erotic pics. She was shocked, 'What the hell are you looking at?'. My reply: ''Wouldn't it be a bigger problem if I weren't looking at this stuff at my age?''. Case closed.

    Another time, my brother was playing around with his shawarma and I remarked, 'Why are you making it look like a vagina?'. My sister heard me and said, 'Don't you have any shame?', and I said, 'Don't you have a vagina?'.

    There have been plenty other instances like these. Presumably, I should be ashamed of acting like that. But I don't see any reason to be. What's so widely known, what's so obviously in front of me, need not be hidden. Even if my sextape (gosh I hope) was to be revealed to the general public, I wouldn't feel the slightest shame. Unless of course, I forgot to shave my ass hair (Middle Eastern genes yo!) before sex; then I would be annoyed at all the jabs at my natural defense against buttrape. As it is now, there is nothing in my life which I would wish to hide. Only if I were running a site like hurt2thecore on the deep web, or was the next Jeffrey Dahmer, would I want to cower away. Right now, no one can blackmail me. Many people let themselves be blackmailed by information that they could've given away without losing anything of value.

    This mindset is more of a logic and intelligence thing though. I doubt it is type related but ISFPs tend to be dumb so....
    Last edited by Stawker; 03-30-2017 at 02:10 PM.
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  5. #2515
    ENTJ


    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkle View Post
    Hi, I have a few random questions for you =)

    1. What's your favorite food?
    2. Do you have a favorite color?
    3. What happens if you forget to eat?
    -Salmon sashimi
    -Red
    -I often do. I dunno, I just never feel hunger. And then my stomach reminds me by giving the most horrific stabbing pains that I want to die.
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  6. #2516

    Quote Originally Posted by Fumetsu View Post
    -Salmon sashimi
    -Red
    -I often do. I dunno, I just never feel hunger. And then my stomach reminds me by giving the most horrific stabbing pains that I want to die.
    Relating to salmon and fish. Do you know what SMASH is?

    I was just thinking that this is a thread where people can actually learn things. lol. Which is rare on this forum. Te wants to know what works and how it should be applied.

    Ask me what red means. Do it.

  7. #2517
    ENTJ


    Quote Originally Posted by FearAndTrembling View Post
    Relating to salmon and fish. Do you know what SMASH is?

    I was just thinking that this is a thread where people can actually learn things. lol. Which is rare on this forum. Te wants to know what works and how it should be applied.

    Ask me what red means. Do it.
    Never heard of it.

    Obviously, people could learn many things ENTJ's; namely that I don't have patients to teach.

    Nah, I don't really care what it means to anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumetsu View Post
    Never heard of it.

    Obviously, people could learn many things ENTJ's; namely that I don't have patients to teach.

    Nah, I don't really care what it means to anyone else.

    SMASH -Salmon-mackeral-anchovies-sardines, herring? I think. lol. Herring is the only one I am not sure of.

    What it means to everyone else is also how it relates to you. You don't care about knowledge? Red scares people. A test in a red binder will give lower scores than a blue or any other color. A woman will appear more attractive with red. You also perform better in a red room.

    Red wants to fight. Old Japanese flag was more red. Soviets. Chinese. These are flags saying, "Bring it the fuck on." Compare them to the blue of the EU and UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearAndTrembling View Post
    "What is actual is rational and what is rational is actual" is like the biggest Ni-Ti statement I ever heard.
    Ironic, considering that is the biggest problem I typically have with Ti users. I try to consolidate what is rational with what is actual to highlight what is not (either).
    They try to counter by projecting what is irrational (strictly internal) onto what is actual.
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  10. #2520

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikusagami View Post
    Ironic, considering that is the biggest problem I typically have with Ti users. I try to consolidate what is rational with what is actual to highlight what is not (either).
    They try to counter by projecting what is irrational (strictly internal) onto what is actual.
    We assume the universe is rational though. Everything that is actual must be made rational. If I am acting irrational in this thread, I must be made rational. If people see ghosts, that isn't rational. It must be rationalized. We assume that rational things are the ONLY things that can exist. And that statement does turn into Ti. Things dont happen because of causes, they happen because of reasons. Because reality is rational. Irrational things cannot exist in it. Which is proven wrong by our very existence. We are irrational beings who insist the universe is rational.

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