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This is a discussion on Ask an ENTJ a question within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Eu_citzen I'll need to get going soon. So I'll keep the answer short, anyway: How to make ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    I'll need to get going soon. So I'll keep the answer short, anyway:

    How to make a decision quickly is simple, its a matter of weighting probabilities. What is most likely to happen.
    If 2 cars are too close to each other on a slippery road and one in front needs to hit the breaks in panic. (e.g. animal walks out in front)
    Chances are good there will be an accident one way or another. Sorta like that.

    When nothing happens no progress) I get an itch to do something. (it really feels like an itch to me)
    Maybe it is tert Se at play, idk. I had a period this year where progress was painstakingly slow, and it nearly drove me nuts.

    That said, if I do have no time constraints, I will gladly take more time to research and make it better then merely functional.
    But I will still be irked to make a choice and to speed up the process I will "average" all the information I gather. Or even conduct experiments.

    I would say on average I have not needed to go back on decisions I have made. Some corrections, tweaks, yes.
    However as Battlelina says, adjusting or adapting your approach is quite a reasonable thing. And not a failure, IMO.
    So basically you know it's better to take longer to make a decision, but because of impatience (and sometimes time constraints), you make one sooner rather than later. I guess I just have a bigger fear of consequences and you have more of a focus on possibilities and possibly a more optimistic outlook and myself a more realistic/ pessimistic one - if something bad can happen I can choose to make sure it doesn't happen if I find out enough information. So in taking longer I am safer, yet I miss opportunities. But I always feel like if it's meant to happen it will, and I can't think of any time where not rushing into something without all the information has been a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlelina View Post
    Until the ENTJs respond, just wanted to say I learned a lot from them after getting sick of analysis paralysis. I'm not ever going to be able to think like them, but I did learn how to implement things in a way that works for me:

    1. Let go of the pass/fail mentality. One bad choice =/= failure. A situation or circumstance takes many choices and actions to play out. Once you make one decision, things begin to flow like a rhythm game. You can make corrections as you go.
    2. There is no such thing has having gathered the perfect amount of information ever. Many years after making decisions for situations that have long since passed I'm still learning new info that would've been relevant then.
    3. Everything has a weird way of working out, even when mistakes are made.
    4. We INTPs can handle more improv than we give ourselves credit for. That intuitive ability is more reliable than you think. Maybe you can't quite tell *why* it's telling you to go a certain way at the start, but it's still a good compass. Eventually the reasons become clear.
    5. When working with people, communicate the changes in decisions when necessary. If someone gets butthurt, tell them new info came up. That's what happened. Even if you wait to make a decision this can still come up later. It's just part of decision-making. Roll with it. The world won't implode, I promise.
    I don't think I would say I have analysis paralysis - if what I'm thinking isn't helping, change what I'm thinking. If I'm trying to solve a problem and it's not getting me anywhere, try a different way. You don't need the perfect amount of information, you just need enough to make the right decision. Mistakes are ok, but why make mistakes if they are easily avoided? Some mistakes are just so costly.

    Isn't it possible to follow intuition and also seek out answers, hesitating in the process/ stalling where possible? I don't mean at the expense of others, but we can work quickly if we want to, and this would have to be a better way to respect both ourselves and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella2016 View Post
    So basically you know it's better to take longer to make a decision, but because of impatience (and sometimes time constraints), you make one sooner rather than later. I guess I just have a bigger fear of consequences and you have more of a focus on possibilities and possibly a more optimistic outlook and myself a more realistic/ pessimistic one - if something bad can happen I can choose to make sure it doesn't happen if I find out enough information. So in taking longer I am safer, yet I miss opportunities. But I always feel like if it's meant to happen it will, and I can't think of any time where not rushing into something without all the information has been a bad idea.
    That's one way to see it. Although I wouldn't say I got an optimistic outlook; I'd probably say a realistic one.
    There's just not so much fear of consequences, there's an innate belief that I can get back up again (almost) no matter what happens.
    I've failed often enough to know its not the end of the world. Unless I accidentally get myself killed.

    I wish I had that belief of "if it's meant to happen, it will"... It seems a bit of a soothing thing to have.
    It's quite so the opposite for me, if opportunity presents itself and I want to seize it I better get off my lazy butt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    That's one way to see it. Although I wouldn't say I got an optimistic outlook; I'd probably say a realistic one.
    There's just not so much fear of consequences, there's an innate belief that I can get back up again (almost) no matter what happens.
    I've failed often enough to know its not the end of the world. Unless I accidentally get myself killed.

    I wish I had that belief of "if it's meant to happen, it will"... It seems a bit of a soothing thing to have.
    It's quite so the opposite for me, if opportunity presents itself and I want to seize it I better get off my lazy butt.
    Yeah I just would rather the prevention than the cure these days. I didn't use to calculate things so much and the consequences were a little too huge sometimes.

    And if you are going to take that attitude you also have to be willing to accept that it may never happen, because that's really the reality of it. So a bit like, pessimism with a little bit of a dream mingled into it which probably never will happen, but just might, and often does for some reason, but still never ever may.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella2016 View Post
    Yeah I just would rather the prevention than the cure these days. I didn't use to calculate things so much and the consequences were a little too huge sometimes.

    And if you are going to take that attitude you also have to be willing to accept that it may never happen, because that's really the reality of it. So a bit like, pessimism with a little bit of a dream mingled into it which probably never will happen, but just might, and often does for some reason, but still never ever may.
    Honestly, I feel a degree of prevention has to be there, fir it to be considered realistic.
    A risk-assessment, basically, and also a risk vs reward comparison. But it comes so naturally, almost automatic, that I rarely think about it in too much detail.

    "Be willing to accept it may never happen"
    Don't you ever wallow, after an opportunity passed, and wonder "what if....?" (e.g. what if I tried, what I had.... etc etc)

    These "what ifs" haunt me after an opportunity were I was passive, it's unsettling. And that's also one reason I can be quick to action.
    Because then I can go "At least I tried".... It gives me a sense of harmony, knowing that I tried, even if I failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    Honestly, I feel a degree of prevention has to be there, fir it to be considered realistic.
    A risk-assessment, basically, and also a risk vs reward comparison. But it comes so naturally, almost automatic, that I rarely think about it in too much detail.

    "Be willing to accept it may never happen"
    Don't you ever wallow, after an opportunity passed, and wonder "what if....?" (e.g. what if I tried, what I had.... etc etc)

    These "what ifs" haunt me after an opportunity were I was passive, it's unsettling. And that's also one reason I can be quick to action.
    Because then I can go "At least I tried".... It gives me a sense of harmony, knowing that I tried, even if I failed.
    If I can work out that I will fail before I try and so avoid the consequences then why try? We are always missing opportunities in life - in taking one we miss another. We can invest in preparing better for an opportunity if we know it's not the right thing at the right time but we still want something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella2016 View Post
    If I can work out that I will fail before I try and so avoid the consequences then why try? We are always missing opportunities in life - in taking one we miss another. We can invest in preparing better for an opportunity if we know it's not the right thing at the right time but we still want something similar.
    If you know you will fail, that's fair. But will occurs on a sliding scale.
    What if you had a 30% chance to succeed at one of your dreams/life goals? Would you take it?
    What about 40%?

    At around 30% I would seriously start considering it. I say consider, since I would still not jump blindly into it; but dissect it. Pros and cons, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eu_citzen View Post
    If you know you will fail, that's fair. But will occurs on a sliding scale.
    What if you had a 30% chance to succeed at one of your dreams/life goals? Would you take it?
    What about 40%?

    At around 30% I would seriously start considering it. I say consider, since I would still not jump blindly into it; but dissect it. Pros and cons, etc.
    I always hated probability at school and I think it's because I don't really believe in it. Everything happens for a reason. Therefore things are generally a lot more predictable than we think they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella2016 View Post
    I always hated probability at school and I think it's because I don't really believe in it. Everything happens for a reason. Therefore things are generally a lot more predictable than we think they are.
    I guess this is where we differ. While I hated math and probability as a school subject; I found it quite useful to estimate where or what do next.
    (it's not so much a calculation either, but an educated guess or even a hunch I go of off)

    Can't quite put my finger on it, but something about that "happens for a reason" irks me, perhaps its the possible metaphysical interpretation that is typically used in a similar context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella2016 View Post
    I always hated probability at school and I think it's because I don't really believe in it. Everything happens for a reason. Therefore things are generally a lot more predictable than we think they are.
    You don’t believe in probability, but you think things are predictable. These are opposing statements.

    Their probability is what makes them predictable.
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