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  1. #611
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Is anybody else really, really bad with dealing the minutiae of large projects you have undertaken?
    I've always had a habit of biting off more than I can chew, but even when I'm working on something necessary, I can tend to get bogged down in the details between points A and B.
    I don't think I wrote a single research paper or essay all the way through grade school or college that didn't start with a brief anxiety attack, a bit of fear based procrastination, and finally a crammed 10 hour writing project that skipped most of the recommended steps and spat out information I'd gathered in a stream of consciousness.

    I'm trying to build a website right now, and while I've got great content and I'm very pleased with my vision for it, building the thing from scratch has got me wanting to cry and throw my computer across the room.
    Or hire a virtual assistant. I've thought of that, too.

    Am I just helpless or is this actually a Thing people (ENTJs?) do, and is there a method to making step by step details less stressful and frustrating?
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  2. #612
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaN View Post
    Is anybody else really, really bad with dealing the minutiae of large projects you have undertaken?
    Yup this happens to me a lot. I can see the big picture. I can break it down into the smaller tasks but sometimes the details within those tasks can bite me in the ass. What also screws me up is when this happens. Lets say there are 4 major steps in the project. A is done I am working on B but my mind is stuck on what will happen in C and cannot get refocused on B and there is some road block in B that I didn't account for completely that needs serious problem solving but I cannot get my full attention on it as I want to be working on step C.

    Another one that kills me mentally is when I delegate a task to another person mentally and it has been proven that they will not meet the expectation but I still get hung up on the fact that they are supposed to do it when I am doing my check list. It ends up being a rut for a while.

  3. #613
    ENTJ

    @EmmaN When I get the most frustrated is when I don't have a plan set out. Once I realize I'm about to have a mental breakdown and throw my computer at something, I sit down and research and write out all the steps I'll need to accomplish to get the goal in place. I also try to get as many people as I can to help me (I guess in your case this would be hiring someone). I usually want to learn how to do it so I can make sure everything's running smoothly, but physically writing out the steps really helps me. That way I know I'm not flying blind. Watching other people do the same thing also helps me.

    The worst, like myGTI said, is when I get super focused on the thing that I want to do with the project and forget I'm not to that stage yet. Then I make a lot of dumb mistakes on the first part that I have to undo and it's a pain in the ass because then I waste more time. I'm also not super great at adapting my mental plans, so if I'm handling the details and the big picture and then something comes up, like a roadblock or just something unexpected, I'm more likely to get frustrated. I like having someone to watch my back and catch the things I miss.

  4. #614
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaN View Post
    Is anybody else really, really bad with dealing the minutiae of large projects you have undertaken?
    I've always had a habit of biting off more than I can chew, but even when I'm working on something necessary, I can tend to get bogged down in the details between points A and B.
    I don't think I wrote a single research paper or essay all the way through grade school or college that didn't start with a brief anxiety attack, a bit of fear based procrastination, and finally a crammed 10 hour writing project that skipped most of the recommended steps and spat out information I'd gathered in a stream of consciousness.

    I'm trying to build a website right now, and while I've got great content and I'm very pleased with my vision for it, building the thing from scratch has got me wanting to cry and throw my computer across the room.
    Or hire a virtual assistant. I've thought of that, too.

    Am I just helpless or is this actually a Thing people (ENTJs?) do, and is there a method to making step by step details less stressful and frustrating?
    there is many methods about how to manage a project, maybe following one and adapting could help you, th main idea is divide and organize in cathegories.

  5. #615
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaN View Post
    Is anybody else really, really bad with dealing the minutiae of large projects you have undertaken?
    I've always had a habit of biting off more than I can chew, but even when I'm working on something necessary, I can tend to get bogged down in the details between points A and B.
    I don't think I wrote a single research paper or essay all the way through grade school or college that didn't start with a brief anxiety attack, a bit of fear based procrastination, and finally a crammed 10 hour writing project that skipped most of the recommended steps and spat out information I'd gathered in a stream of consciousness.

    I'm trying to build a website right now, and while I've got great content and I'm very pleased with my vision for it, building the thing from scratch has got me wanting to cry and throw my computer across the room.
    Or hire a virtual assistant. I've thought of that, too.

    Am I just helpless or is this actually a Thing people (ENTJs?) do, and is there a method to making step by step details less stressful and frustrating?
    Yes ma'am!

    I get like this as well. What helps for me:

    When I get procrastinatory, I remember it helps assuage my anxiety when I start seeing progress. Getting something just 'done' is better then stressing over perfection to the point where shit didn't get done (personal weakness I've improved as I matured).

    So just getting it done and not looking back for a while helped a lot. Then, after the Thing generated results or ROI (ie a response from the receiving party, profits/ lack thereof, etc) at that point I assess lessons learned and keep it moving forward.

    Good luck!

  6. #616

    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaN View Post
    Is anybody else really, really bad with dealing the minutiae of large projects you have undertaken?
    I've always had a habit of biting off more than I can chew, but even when I'm working on something necessary, I can tend to get bogged down in the details between points A and B.
    I don't think I wrote a single research paper or essay all the way through grade school or college that didn't start with a brief anxiety attack, a bit of fear based procrastination, and finally a crammed 10 hour writing project that skipped most of the recommended steps and spat out information I'd gathered in a stream of consciousness.

    I'm trying to build a website right now, and while I've got great content and I'm very pleased with my vision for it, building the thing from scratch has got me wanting to cry and throw my computer across the room.
    Or hire a virtual assistant. I've thought of that, too.

    Am I just helpless or is this actually a Thing people (ENTJs?) do, and is there a method to making step by step details less stressful and frustrating?
    I'm fortunate that I have my ISTJ Hubby as a wing man when I get overwhelmed by details.
    Hit up the ESTJ or ISTJ forum for some "how to" advice with this. Organized and detail oriented, they usually excel at this sort of thing.
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  7. #617

    Quote Originally Posted by maust View Post
    How do you stop missing someone?
    1. Verify that your equipment is "sighted in".
    2. Practice your aim under similar conditions.
    3. Be conscious of your breathing, don't hold your breath.
    4. Be aware of bad habits, i.e. "flinching" or "pulling" the trigger.
    5. Adapt for windage and drop.
    6. Lead the target appropriately for their speed of travel.
    7. Use a caliber and weapon appropriate for the job at hand.

    Happy shooting.

  8. #618
    ENTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by MsBossyPants View Post
    I'm fortunate that I have my ISTJ Hubby as a wing man when I get overwhelmed by details.
    Hit up the ESTJ or ISTJ forum for some "how to" advice with this. Organized and detail oriented, they usually excel at this sort of thing.
    This. @EmmaN My mom's an ISTJ and my dad's an ENTJ. She keeps him sane, because he's crap at the details of running a household- the only reason my siblings get anything done anywhere is because my mom runs everything. He's gotten better at it through pure exposure to her, but my mom's still far better at it. 5 kids, 2 calendars and a day planner. I still don't know how she does it.

  9. #619
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Anyone find they have to sometimes make white lies up to get a sensor to take on your idea? I find I do it, my intuition knows something wont work (or its just plain common sense!), the lies I make is "I know someone did x and y happened".

    For example. I was trying to talk a friend out of installing his washing machine above his living room. It is currently downstairs, on a solid concrete floor, upstairs is all wooden. I know what will happen, he'll get annoyed by the sound and vibrations of the washer not just in the room below, but throughout his entire house. I just came out with: "I know someone that built a utility room upstairs and they hated the noise....". Tactically done because I know they would not trust my intuition.

    Just my form of manipulation. Anyone else do this?

  10. #620
    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quote Originally Posted by AshtangiBear View Post
    Anyone find they have to sometimes make white lies up to get a sensor to take on your idea? I find I do it, my intuition knows something wont work (or its just plain common sense!), the lies I make is "I know someone did x and y happened".

    For example. I was trying to talk a friend out of installing his washing machine above his living room. It is currently downstairs, on a solid concrete floor, upstairs is all wooden. I know what will happen, he'll get annoyed by the sound and vibrations of the washer not just in the room below, but throughout his entire house. I just came out with: "I know someone that built a utility room upstairs and they hated the noise....". Tactically done because I know they would not trust my intuition.

    Just my form of manipulation. Anyone else do this?
    I do this as an ISTP. I could make an exhaustive argument as to why something will/won't work but people's eyes usually glaze over. White lies for trivial matters are more expedient as long as they don't lead to repercussions down the road.

    And I don't think your friend's problem has anything to do with being a sensor; I'd use Se to reach the same conclusions as you. I find the problem more often stems from whether a person is more interested in abstraction (theories, imagination, ideologies, etc) than the physical world.


     
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