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This is a discussion on Ask an ENTJ a question within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Fredward Me while listening/watching USA presidential discussions: It's like the best reality tv show ever. We're going ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredward View Post
    Me while listening/watching USA presidential discussions:



    It's like the best reality tv show ever.
    We're going to die in the next five years. Watching the Republican primary debates is one of the scariest things I've ever done.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJake111 View Post
    Honestly he would be the next al gore instead. He would be pushed aside as climate change isn't important to majority of Americas.

    I think we need to do stuff to help the climate but I've seen Bernie do as much fan service as trump. He had some idotic post on Facebook about the model t getting 30 mpg and how it's dumb modern cars can't either.

    Well the model t had less horsepower then a moped and that statement has no acknowledgement of efficiency etc.

    Even worse he claimed it was the first ICE...

    If you support the working class and if you are so against combustion engines then it's best you understand a major part of Americas manufacturing history.

    But honestly he would never win a general not because of anything socalist, it would be for comments like his that Isis is a direct result of climate change. Truthful or not, that is not what majority of Americans want to hear.
    To be honest I don't know anything about cars, so I'll take your word for it. His campaign hasn't really been focused on "climate change = terrorism" though, so I don't think it would create that many problems for him. Here's an interesting article on it though: Fact-checking Bernie Sanders' comments on climate change and terrorism | PolitiFact

    Understanding manufacturing history is different from criticizing it now. Cars were fine in the past, but now we have better ways of running them that we're just not using.

    Yeah, but in a contest between him and Trump? I like his chances. Just not convinced Trump will be the nominee- the RNC's pulling their hair out already and praying Cruz can wrangle together enough support. Fun fact, he lost 47% of his supporters (according to one poll at least) to Trump when he entered the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maust View Post
    To be honest I don't know anything about cars.

    Understanding manufacturing history is different from criticizing it now. Cars were fine in the past, but now we have better ways of running them that we're just not using.
    These two lines don't go well together. Watch it, this is my turf and strongly disagree with your second statement.

    Bernie is a broken record similar to trump, he's a very one issues individual. I'm waiting for an interview where he doesn't mention the 1% or climate change.

    We're 18 trillion in debt and he doesn't have much to say about that.

    I frequently check his Twitter and it's just always climate change fearmongoring. Or him rallying another red summer about income inequality.

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    Watching Americans support Trump would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
    maust thanked this post.

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    If we did not have polls, I wonder who would support trump. I really wonder how much of it is bandwagoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJake111 View Post
    If we did not have polls, I wonder who would support trump. I really wonder how much of it is bandwagoning.
    Actually, when you conduct online polls (where they don't have to actually admit it to another living person), his support goes up about 5% among Republican primary voters- the 5% are almost all highly-educated. The likely hypothesis is they don't want another living person to know they're voting for Trump (it's a psychological thing). Don't think people really pay that much attention to the polls. Especially not Trump supporters.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJake111 View Post
    These two lines don't go well together. Watch it, this is my turf and strongly disagree with your second statement.

    Bernie is a broken record similar to trump, he's a very one issues individual. I'm waiting for an interview where he doesn't mention the 1% or climate change.

    We're 18 trillion in debt and he doesn't have much to say about that.

    I frequently check his Twitter and it's just always climate change fearmongoring. Or him rallying another red summer about income inequality.
    ... combustion engines used to be important. Now we can get electric cars instead. Which are better for the environment.

    He's actually got some pretty good plans to reduce the deficit. Most of the spending he proposes would pay for itself in the end- free college, for example, pays for itself pretty quickly via having a more educated working class who create more businesses and help companies function better. The studies are clear on that. He also wants to plug tax loopholes that cost a few hundreds of billions of dollars. Federal Budget & National Debt – FeelTheBern.org

    And Twitter never lies, amirite? Income inequality's pretty well-accepted among economists as a major drag on the economy, and is the root cause of a lot of social problems. Climate change is pretty scary- not really fear mongering if it's true, and especially not fear mongering in comparison to anything that comes out of Trump's mouth. I've watched him speak, and he covers a very broad range of topics. Here's a list of his policy proposals Bernie Sanders on the Issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by maust View Post
    Actually, when you conduct online polls (where they don't have to actually admit it to another living person), his support goes up about 5% among Republican primary voters- the 5% are almost all highly-educated. The likely hypothesis is they don't want another living person to know they're voting for Trump (it's a psychological thing). Don't think people really pay that much attention to the polls. Especially not Trump supporters.



    ... combustion engines used to be important. Now we can get electric cars instead. Which are better for the environment.

    He's actually got some pretty good plans to reduce the deficit. Most of the spending he proposes would pay for itself in the end- free college, for example, pays for itself pretty quickly via having a more educated working class who create more businesses and help companies function better. The studies are clear on that. He also wants to plug tax loopholes that cost a few hundreds of billions of dollars. Federal Budget & National Debt – FeelTheBern.org

    And Twitter never lies, amirite? Income inequality's pretty well-accepted among economists as a major drag on the economy, and is the root cause of a lot of social problems. Climate change is pretty scary- not really fear mongering if it's true, and especially not fear mongering in comparison to anything that comes out of Trump's mouth. I've watched him speak, and he covers a very broad range of topics. Here's a list of his policy proposals Bernie Sanders on the Issues
    On the topic of polls. They run the media.

    On the topic of engines... Hush hush young Padawan.

    Free college just reduces the value of the degree.



    And hell yes let's plug tax loop holes, lets simplify the tax code and replace it with a flat tax and economic freedom zones as Rand Paul wants to do.

    And yes income inequality is a massive drag, but economics are the study of incentives. Liberal policies do not incentivize production simple as that.

    Just take to some Tocqueville... There is a reason people like socialist economics, I get it. But it's delusional utopian and unrealistic.

    The larger the state the harder it would be to implement without the invasion of personal liberties.

    It works in small small countries, and it works (questionably) in large ones by means of extreme interventionism. I.E. The people's republic.

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    @BIGJake111 Don't think we're going to agree on this one. I'm gonna bow out- we've got a basketball game, and my goal is to be the most obnoxiously enthusiastic fan possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maust View Post
    @BIGJake111 Don't think we're going to agree on this one. I'm gonna bow out- we've got a basketball game, and my goal is to be the most obnoxiously enthusiastic fan possible.
    I'm watching my tigers in the orange bowl! Haha so goodluck topping my enthusiasm. Have fun dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJake111 View Post

    We're 18 trillion in debt and he doesn't have much to say about that.
    18 Trillion of debt. I calculate that is ~$60K for every one of ~300M Americans. We're fucked.

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
    Last edited by Dasein; 12-31-2015 at 10:06 PM. Reason: correction m not k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTonyP View Post
    18 Trillion of debt. I calculate that is ~$60K for every one of ~300k Americans. We're fucked.

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
    I can't decide if I want to be the national debt or David Lynch next Halloween.


     
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