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This is a discussion on ENTJ Emotional Manipulation within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I hate lying. I'm not good at it and it's a waste of my time and energy. Why hide when ...

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I hate lying. I'm not good at it and it's a waste of my time and energy. Why hide when there doesn't need to be a reason to? If I do something, it's with conviction. I state my case to convince or persuade someone because it's a lot easier to get stuff done when someone has the same shared goal, than to lie and have the task of pulling strings to get people to do what you want them to.

    I don't believe ENTJs are emotional manipulators or victim players. They're more often unashamed of their decisions and choices and I see them playing martyr and complaining about being burdened by the incompetence of others, than a passive victim with no control or handle on their situation.
    Last edited by stiletto; 11-16-2015 at 11:23 AM.
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  2. #12
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Entj's are lousy liars. For a person to be manipulative theres a great need to lie, and we don't do that. When people follow us it is not based on manipulation, it's the blatant truth that comes out of our mouth.

  3. #13
    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Cagnazzo View Post
    But situational manipulation, on the other hand...
    Guilty as charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elistra View Post
    Guilty as charged.
    Get a bigger avatar. It bugs me.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Cagnazzo View Post
    Get a bigger avatar. It bugs me.
    Suffer. ;)
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    MBTI: Emotional Manipulators | Zombies Ruin Everything


    Strong Te users types are intent on displaying what they know. This often turns every interaction into a chance for them to display what they know, even if it’s holding onto information until they tell it to someone else. Point being? They’ll always know more. This twisted way of using their Te possibly stems from their love of organizing and constructing but ends up only constructing their own ego.
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    Why would these Te users be more likely of this behavior? Their preference for Te will also have them going off of a “majority rules” attitude. As in, if it’s established by the majority, it must be right. So if this person gets others on their side, you’re going to feel like a complete idiot if you don’t agree and who wants to feel like that? “Nobody does. So agree with me.” says the triangulator.
    ...

    Seems a little obvious doesn’t it? Te has to have it their way or no way, so get out of their way if you’re not going to listen. The positive things about Te users is their direct and efficient organization. The problem can be that they want to use you like a trash bag until they’ve chosen to discard you.
    How is this manipulation and not just plain bullying? Nothing you do can ever be good enough, so many others hope to “please” the Iron Fist to be the one that does things right; never taking into account that the manipulator isn’t right either. Plus, they make you feel like crap about yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjahitsawall View Post
    Seriously? Was that an attempt at humor?


    Why would these Te users be more likely of this behavior? Their preference for Te will also have them going off of a “majority rules” attitude. As in, if it’s established by the majority, it must be right. So if this person gets others on their side, you’re going to feel like a complete idiot if you don’t agree and who wants to feel like that? “Nobody does. So agree with me.” says the triangulator....
    No, a Te-dom wouldn't go off on "majority rules" attitude. It's a fallacious argument (argumentum ad populum). We'd be more likely to be the ones to spot that and throw a bullshit flag if someone else tried that.

    "Getting others on their side"? Don't really care if you "side" with me or not. I'm not interested in your approval. Believe what you choose based on the argument. Your personal opinion of me, or mine of you, is irrelevant.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by loureedsnotdead View Post
    Are ENTJ’s prone to emotional manipulation and victimization when they are backed into a corner?

    I’m seeing an ENTJ man. He’s a great, passionate person who loves playing music, fighting, working out, fashion, growing his company, etc. He’s just a person who happens to have a disability (paraplegia). This is the first time I’ve allowed myself to open up to someone in three years so it’s pretty important to know if manipulation and victimization is just a characteristic tactic of ENTJ’s as trolling might be to most ENTP’s.

    Thank you.
    You're mistaking an ENFJ for an ENTJ.
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    "trolling" ascribed to ENTPs is a stereotype. Without looking at other posts, I'm guessing the ENTJ characteristic described is also a stereotype.

    edit: yep, it probably is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsBossyPants View Post
    Seriously? Was that an attempt at humor?




    No, a Te-dom wouldn't go off on "majority rules" attitude. It's a fallacious argument (argumentum ad populum). We'd be more likely to be the ones to spot that and throw a bullshit flag if someone else tried that.

    "Getting others on their side"? Don't really care if you "side" with me or not. I'm not interested in your approval. Believe what you choose based on the argument. Your personal opinion of me, or mine of you, is irrelevant.
    Not really, was just throwing it out there to see what ENTJ's thought. (Though some of it is funny in an absurd way). I'm not sure these apply to me either - though I've probably been guilty of the one-upmanship thing at times.

    The ad populum argument was my first thought reading that. I have heard Ti users accuse Te users of doing the "majority rules" thing though. And an ENTP friend of mine seems to assume that Te users are inherently manipulative for some reason. She seems to think someone who doesn't test as a Te user is mistyped, because they're too "manipulative" and "calculating" (to use Ti, Ne, Fe etc.) So I told her repeatedly that doesn't mean anything, because if anything, Fe tends to be more prone to manipulation, as Te doesn't really do emotional manipulation...manipulating facts, possibly. But that's not really being manipulative. I showed her that link once mostly to make a point that I was being fair, and not just denying out of type bias.

    I wonder if it might be some kind of projection of Fe users onto Te.


     
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