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This is a discussion on Careers: What's a young ENTJ to do? within the ENTJ Forum - The Executives forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I'm going through this right now but the situation is in no way unique to me. ENTJ's are competent, crave ...

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    Careers: What's a young ENTJ to do?

    I'm going through this right now but the situation is in no way unique to me.

    ENTJ's are competent, crave variety, leadership, and implementing strategy. Most entry level jobs are "functions" where your talent isn't fully engaged, there is much busy work, you are a follower, and have little weight in decisions.

    Success in a career tends to increase with time but the problem is this: What are ENTJs to do having to start at the bottom when they function best on top?



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    I myself find entrepreneurship a good option but then you don't get to see much of the world and are largely operating blind to the way other businesses operate which will be a drawback in both the short term and long term (as long as you remain president).

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Honestly you just have to gut it out and work your way up. I've worked my way up to an RA position at a dorm which is good experience. But I started out just being a member of the resident hall association.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Quote Originally Posted by boblikesoup View Post
    What are ENTJs to do having to start at the bottom when they function best on top?
    Patience. Lots and lots of it. And strong nerves. Gut it out like @ENTJwillruletheworld says. Usually opportunities arise for an ENTJ, positions open up, if you manage persevere. People quit or get fired, new opportunities present themselves, new departments, etc.

    - Become the employee you would like to have as boss
    - Keep an eye open to switch jobs if there is no future
    - Change job if your ENTJ-ism is not appreciated and you are downplayed constantly <- SOS tip this
    - Start your own small business if your time allows it, parallel to your 'normal' job
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    Quote Originally Posted by boblikesoup View Post
    I'm going through this right now but the situation is in no way unique to me.

    ENTJ's are competent, crave variety, leadership, and implementing strategy. Most entry level jobs are "functions" where your talent isn't fully engaged, there is much busy work, you are a follower, and have little weight in decisions.

    Success in a career tends to increase with time but the problem is this: What are ENTJs to do having to start at the bottom when they function best on top?
    My best advice: Think big.

    I have never applied for a job that I was qualified for. I always apply for a job that I'm slightly under qualified for. To me it doesn't make sense to do something you are already good at, there is no potential to grow. Applying for a job you aren't quite qualified for projects confidence, and a willingness to work hard to achieve success: a trite phrase, but a "self-starter".

    It's easier to do this if you apply for a job within the company you already work for. If you send your resume to a company that doesn't "know" you, they'll probably just toss it because you are underqualifed. Applying for a job within your own company may generate interest. The manager of that department may call your manager and ask about you and give you a shot. If you can get your foot in the door, and get to the point of an oral interview, sell your skills, your confidence, and stress the belief that learning the technical aspects of a job come easily to you, but what marks leadership is the ability to constantly move forward, improve and grow, and never settle for the status quo. Sell your leadership skills. Within the department you currently work in, use this approach with your manager.

    If this doesn't work, it's still a "win". If you don't get the job because you are lacking the technical "know-how" specific to the job, you will still have left an impression. This happened several times for me. I once lost the job to a more skilled person, but after a few months, when the person who eventually got the job failed to impress, I was called back and did get the job. I also once applied for a job that I didn't get, but the manager remembered me, and when another position came up, recommended me for it. It was offered to me without even having to apply for it.

    Don't sell yourself short. As you progress in your career, you may find that you naturally move into positions of higher authority based on your natural leadership qualities. As an ENTJ, it's what you do best. Sell it.
    Last edited by MsBossyPants; 11-28-2011 at 04:14 PM. Reason: spelling is a bitch
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    My advice would be to network, people will do a bit more for someone they know. Work hard, get results. Finally, and probably most importantly, take an appropriate opportunity when it arises to take on some responsibility and manage. That doesn't necessarily mean jumping at the first opportunity, but jump at one you think would suit and benefit you to prove that you can manage well.

    One more thing I forgot to add, be patient but don't be too patient. Wait for your talents to be recognised, but if you feel like you are being ignored, look around and find someone who would appreciate you.
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    ENTJ - The Executives

    There are ways to bypass the "paying your dues" steps, but they cost a lot of money. As I posted on another thread, getting an MBA from a "prestigious" school and getting into the "MBA program" at a number of employers, and it's akin to being a made man in the mafia. You will go high quickly, based on my observations.

    Barring that, you do have to pay your dues, but move around. If you see something you'd be good at, go after it. Figure out what you need to do in your current job to make yourself a shoe-in for the next one.

    You got some good advice earlier on aiming high. I think that's definitely key. Do something you're a little bit uncomfortable with, and grow into it. Learn to sell yourself, that will carry you far in your career.

    My first job out of college, I was a lowly programmer for a consumer goods company. The "lead DBA" quit, so I started doing his job on my own volition, and eventually, they promoted me to his position, job title, and salary. It frustrated a lot of people, but they weren't doing what it took to get the job. This got recognized by one of the software vendors, and they snatched me up. At the time (16 years ago), a year out of college, I asked for and got a 6 figure job. I learned a lot about what it takes to be successful, and while I am not an advocate of stepping on other people in order to advance, you certainly can't let them stand in your way. It's your career, and nobody else can influence it as much as you can. You really have to set meaningful goals and be very opportunistic and ready to pounce when the next opportunity presents itself.

    Aside: when you're negotiating salary, you should be a little bit embarrassed by what you're asking. Best case scenario, you get it. Worst case scenario, you don't get a job that you probably don't want in the first place, if they aren't willing to negotiate.

    Complete aside: we should get paid for this advice.
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    We would be the ones to charge for use of our advice column.

    L. O. L.

    Fee structure anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovereign View Post
    We would be the ones to charge for use of our advice column.

    L. O. L.

    Fee structure anyone?
    Sovereign, I hate to point this out, but you are acting like an ENTJ. You would like there to be a fee structure, but don't want to be bothered with working out the details, and are attempting delegate the task ;)

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsBossyPants View Post
    Sovereign, I hate to point this out, but you are acting like an ENTJ. You would like there to be a fee structure, but don't want to be bothered with working out the details, and are attempting delegate the task ;)

    LOL
    Yeah, you sure pegged me. I didn't even think about it, but I was pretty much a stereotype. haha

    As an on-point aside, I'm looking for the same thing. I'd like to skip a good portion of the "pay my dues" phase. What I have seen so far is that WHO you know transcends ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. Education, GPA, Qualifications, Certs, etc. All of it. I haven't been working for long, but every place I've worked was just that way. So, the most important skill IMO is interpersonal networking.
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