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This is a discussion on ENTP Girls: Can You Describe Yourself For Me? within the ENTP Forum- The Visionaries forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Sounds kinda perverted....But its not. Unless you make it that way. I want to know, only because I've been typed ...

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    ENTP Girls: Can You Describe Yourself For Me?

    Sounds kinda perverted....But its not. Unless you make it that way.

    I want to know, only because I've been typed ENTP on this site repeatedly, but i never score entp in tests as i am more introverted and am close to 50/50 on F-T. I find that its hard to relate to the entp personality with all its charisma and charm and witty quirkiness/ exuberance that i dont feel i have.

    Ive met entp guys and find that theyre very close to enfps, only they really are much more about proving themselves through knowledge than improving social skills and relationships. But im not sure about the women entps.

    i know i navigate relationships according to certain standards and find that socialising with people is a bit like navigating a map in that there are limited options one of which is appropriate.



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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    *best FBE girly voice*



    The only differences are physical and if one decides to hang onto
    cultural norms of gender within any given culture. So that would only be
    an actual difference, through representation only mind you.

    ("physical" is a can of worms. estrogen vs testosterone and all that stuff
    not just the obvious organs and what not)

    Being that you have an assumption of being an ENTP and I can assume
    you believe it to be true that you are female....What do YOU think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WintersFlame View Post
    Sounds kinda perverted....But its not. Unless you make it that way.

    I want to know, only because I've been typed ENTP on this site repeatedly, but i never score entp in tests as i am more introverted and am close to 50/50 on F-T. I find that its hard to relate to the entp personality with all its charisma and charm and witty quirkiness/ exuberance that i dont feel i have.

    Ive met entp guys and find that theyre very close to enfps, only they really are much more about proving themselves through knowledge than improving social skills and relationships. But im not sure about the women entps.

    i know i navigate relationships according to certain standards and find that socialising with people is a bit like navigating a map in that there are limited options one of which is appropriate.
    ENTP gals mostly come across as cheeky feminine tomboys, the type that enjoy mental sparing rather than physical.

    The difference you are seeing is reflected in Enneagram 5/6 and Socionics ILE-Ti. We find comfort in certainty and thus have a preference for Ti rather than uncertainty creating Ne. Type 7 ILE-Ne are the opposite, and are much more common. We still use Ne first, it just that our Ti kicks in ASAP. And we still have tert Fe and Inf Si, unlike INTPs. The tert Fe means we are emotionally aware, even I we tend to prefer to avoid value based decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FueledByEvil View Post
    *best FBE girly voice*



    The only differences are physical and if one decides to hang onto
    cultural norms of gender within any given culture. So that would only be
    an actual difference, through representation only mind you.

    ("physical" is a can of worms. estrogen vs testosterone and all that stuff
    not just the obvious organs and what not)

    Being that you have an assumption of being an ENTP and I can assume
    you believe it to be true that you are female....What do YOU think?
    You lost me at FBE

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by WintersFlame View Post
    You lost me at FBE
    Yes I have a tendency to not make good sense....or any sense for that matter.

    For clarity.... ENTP gals that I know are no different really then the
    ENTP guys I know ...unless either play the gender roll game. Which
    is learned.


    I would assume that cognitive is not really swayed by gender roles at is base level.
    We kinda learn that stuff. Chemicals that can drive certain behaviors play a larger
    roll in difference between genders of any MBTI type...I would assume anyways.

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Ok. An actual ENTP woman here so ignore these boys. JK

    Unfortunately the MBTI descriptions tend to lean to whatever gender is the most prevalent. ENTPs are 2/3 men 1/3 women so it does lean male in description. Regardless of people claiming "gender norm in culture is the only reason genders are different", I do believe there is a biological gender difference. Women really have to have fairly developed Fe to effectively raise a family. In nature (within mammals) and in our archaeological history, it is rare that a female is not the main caregiver and that is because we are designed to be the sole person to feed our offspring for the first part of their lives. Without a bond that makes us want to take care and feed that offspring, that offspring does not survive. Just because someone would choose to bottle feed, which would allow for another person to care for that offspring, the hormones still exist that bond. I have met some very nurturing men in my life that care a lot for their offspring (even more the caregiver than their SJ wives) but none have had that intuitive (not in the MBTI sense) of knowing and sensing their child's needs that comes with that biological bond. Obviously there are anomalies, which I honestly think is biological also (less/more of certain hormones or lack/more of neurological connections). Based on the ENTP men I know IRL (I don't consider this site extremely accurate because I believe some are mistyped), I display way more Fe than they do regardless of the fact both are very involved with their children. They can be complete insensitive jerks especially when they feel like their independence is being taken away. They also can be wonderfully caring people too (as long as no one is forcing them into anything). Still, they are not very good at reading the emotional needs of their children but both married xSFJs to compensate for this.

    Anyway, I too was at the F/T line when I was younger (which would put me as a ENFP) but the more I knew about MBTI, I realized that I showed a lot of Fe, not Fi. Someone who is ENFP would be basing decisions on their internal thoughts and beliefs. I am so logical and analytical that I almost forget to acknowledge my own feelings when I am making decisions. There are times when I am looking at myself in almost a 3rd party way. However, I am very aware of other people's feelings and emotions. This is mainly because I seem to absorb their emotion instead of having my own. So if I am out with a friend, if they are not into what we are doing, I find it very hard to enjoy it myself regardless of how much fun I am actually having.

    This brings me to the next topic, the "I". ENTPs are extremely independent, almost to a fault. This independence can sometimes look like introvertedness compared to those you would for sure labeled "extroverted". If an ENTP wants to do something, people can come along with them but if they aren't interested, most of us will just go do it by ourselves. Other extroverts usually NEED people around them to enjoy the experience but ENTPs only WANT people around if they want to enjoy the same thing as we do. I will gladly watch a movie alone (home or out), eat alone, go to museums alone, travel alone, etc. if that means I can enjoy what I am doing without someone altering my enjoyment. In the same respect, if it is something that another person wants to do, and I have no opinion either way, I will gladly go with them and will usually enjoy myself. I find that I am way more extroverted seeming around interesting strangers than people I am very close to and know well. This is definitely the thing I see as the difference between my introverted friends/family over myself and my extroverted friends/family. The introverts tend to much more talkative and stereotypical "extroverts" around those they are comfortable with like their close friends and family and take a while to feel comfortable talking around strangers or people the do not know well. For the extroverts, they don't feel they need to be "on" when around their close friends and family so they tend to be less talkative with them while they tend to feel the need to fill the air with talk when around strangers.

    Now, I say that gender plays a role; however, comparatively to a feeling woman, I am not a feely person with my kids. I am good at recognizing their emotions and needs and trying to fulfill them but I am working from a place of logic most of the time. I did not have kids because I had this emotional need for children and loved babies. I had kids because I could not imagine a life in the future without a family (and eventually be old with grandchildren) so I had to go through having them for that to happen. I have enjoyed each phase (minus pregnancy-that sucked, it was like having the stomach flu for 9 months) and find I do not get emotional over milestones because I enjoy seeing the development and turning into their own person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geonerd View Post
    Ok. An actual ENTP woman here so ignore these boys. JK

    Unfortunately the MBTI descriptions tend to lean to whatever gender is the most prevalent. ENTPs are 2/3 men 1/3 women so it does lean male in description. Regardless of people claiming "gender norm in culture is the only reason genders are different", I do believe there is a biological gender difference. Women really have to have fairly developed Fe to effectively raise a family. In nature (within mammals) and in our archaeological history, it is rare that a female is not the main caregiver and that is because we are designed to be the sole person to feed our offspring for the first part of their lives. Without a bond that makes us want to take care and feed that offspring, that offspring does not survive. Just because someone would choose to bottle feed, which would allow for another person to care for that offspring, the hormones still exist that bond. I have met some very nurturing men in my life that care a lot for their offspring (even more the caregiver than their SJ wives) but none have had that intuitive (not in the MBTI sense) of knowing and sensing their child's needs that comes with that biological bond. Obviously there are anomalies, which I honestly think is biological also (less/more of certain hormones or lack/more of neurological connections). Based on the ENTP men I know IRL (I don't consider this site extremely accurate because I believe some are mistyped), I display way more Fe than they do regardless of the fact both are very involved with their children. They can be complete insensitive jerks especially when they feel like their independence is being taken away. They also can be wonderfully caring people too (as long as no one is forcing them into anything). Still, they are not very good at reading the emotional needs of their children but both married xSFJs to compensate for this.

    Anyway, I too was at the F/T line when I was younger (which would put me as a ENFP) but the more I knew about MBTI, I realized that I showed a lot of Fe, not Fi. Someone who is ENFP would be basing decisions on their internal thoughts and beliefs. I am so logical and analytical that I almost forget to acknowledge my own feelings when I am making decisions. There are times when I am looking at myself in almost a 3rd party way. However, I am very aware of other people's feelings and emotions. This is mainly because I seem to absorb their emotion instead of having my own. So if I am out with a friend, if they are not into what we are doing, I find it very hard to enjoy it myself regardless of how much fun I am actually having.

    This brings me to the next topic, the "I". ENTPs are extremely independent, almost to a fault. This independence can sometimes look like introvertedness compared to those you would for sure labeled "extroverted". If an ENTP wants to do something, people can come along with them but if they aren't interested, most of us will just go do it by ourselves. Other extroverts usually NEED people around them to enjoy the experience but ENTPs only WANT people around if they want to enjoy the same thing as we do. I will gladly watch a movie alone (home or out), eat alone, go to museums alone, travel alone, etc. if that means I can enjoy what I am doing without someone altering my enjoyment. In the same respect, if it is something that another person wants to do, and I have no opinion either way, I will gladly go with them and will usually enjoy myself. I find that I am way more extroverted seeming around interesting strangers than people I am very close to and know well. This is definitely the thing I see as the difference between my introverted friends/family over myself and my extroverted friends/family. The introverts tend to much more talkative and stereotypical "extroverts" around those they are comfortable with like their close friends and family and take a while to feel comfortable talking around strangers or people the do not know well. For the extroverts, they don't feel they need to be "on" when around their close friends and family so they tend to be less talkative with them while they tend to feel the need to fill the air with talk when around strangers.

    Now, I say that gender plays a role; however, comparatively to a feeling woman, I am not a feely person with my kids. I am good at recognizing their emotions and needs and trying to fulfill them but I am working from a place of logic most of the time. I did not have kids because I had this emotional need for children and loved babies. I had kids because I could not imagine a life in the future without a family (and eventually be old with grandchildren) so I had to go through having them for that to happen. I have enjoyed each phase (minus pregnancy-that sucked, it was like having the stomach flu for 9 months) and find I do not get emotional over milestones because I enjoy seeing the development and turning into their own person.
    You may have just confirmed to me that I'm actually an ENTP.


     

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