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This is a discussion on Rights cannot be given. within the ENTP Forum- The Visionaries forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Negotiator If rights are a legal entitlement, doesn't that imply that we are given them in the ...

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator View Post
    If rights are a legal entitlement, doesn't that imply that we are given them in the context of the wider system around us e.g. society?
    Yes. I am over expanding to be sure.
    (its how I learn)

    So who then chooses? Is it right (ironically) that they (whoever they are) have that choice?

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    the only reason to make something legal is to insure no negative impact in view of governmental advice and consent it is a lawful process in my opinion

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    rights are legal parameters and have nothing to do with morals in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by FueledByEvil View Post
    Yes. I am over expanding to be sure.
    (its how I learn)

    So who then chooses? Is it right (ironically) that they (whoever they are) have that choice?
    Is it the society you're born in and are a passport holder of? On the whole, we all generally are told we receive the right to satisfy our basic human needs, it's kind of assumed unless you're unfortunate and are born in a war zone.

    Is it right? I believe so, we aspire to give people the rights they need. If you don't like it, you should have the choice to pack it up and live in the wilderness, which is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledbyevil View Post
    by whom? Who decides?

    Who should decide?
    the goberment.

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by ShashaCruz View Post
    rights are legal parameters and have nothing to do with morals in my opinion
    O my. So the calamity continues.

    Sounds to me that you are speaking on behavioral laws.

    Or at least I hope so.

    Remember. You cant have rights (in law) without responsibilities.
    Every time we create a "right" we use force to undue other "rights"
    and pile on responsibility.



    Would it not be better to just use morality? Morality as defined by a set
    of immutable principals for human behavior in groups?

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmaster Yoda View Post
    the goberment.
    You good with that? Does that make sense to you or is that just an observation?

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator View Post
    Is it the society you're born in and are a passport holder of? On the whole, we all generally are told we receive the right to satisfy our basic human needs, it's kind of assumed unless you're unfortunate and are born in a war zone.

    Is it right? I believe so, we aspire to give people the rights they need. If you don't like it, you should have the choice to pack it up and live in the wilderness, which is possible.
    But you originally eluded to "universal rights". That to me is
    not bound by passports. Clarify, if you care to. Furthermore as I use
    my passport abroad it does not alleviate me of learning and indeed
    being forced to follow/concede to rights of current location. When in
    Rome as it where...my passport does not carry my Canadian given
    rights to north Korea. I get that is not what you are saying exactly.
    Just think passport is actually of way of proving how wrong "rights" are
    when getting to be doled out by law as appose to morality.


    If each country was an island unto itself with no contact this may be applicable.

    The way in which someone has access to life sustaining materials will change
    greatly given topography. So obviously local rights become inherent to that
    locale only. May not even make sense elsewhere. Yet universally morals
    are true and good or best ought to be given abolishment of the ID or
    ego built in group thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FueledByEvil View Post
    You good with that? Does that make sense to you or is that just an observation?
    They tend to disregard rights when they want and the oversight process is slow or nonexistent for many of them. Plus, if one government makes rights they are hardly human rights. Unless they are only for humans under that government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FueledByEvil View Post
    But you originally eluded to "universal rights". That to me is
    not bound by passports. Clarify, if you care to.
    I was referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, of which I would have to look up the signatories. I quoted a few of the rights defined by them, but you're right in saying that rights differ per country. Certain freedoms are not allowed in certain countries, for instance.

    If I look at the Declaration, it states freedom, justice and peace, which I believe to be moral.


     
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