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    ENTJ - The Executives

    Newt Gingrich.

  2. #62
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    I was born and raised Catholic. Stopped going at 18 when I wasn't forced to. I come from a strong union family, so we were definitely on the more liberal end of things. I got sick of the theatrics around the 2004 election where then (now Cardinal) Archbishop Raymond Burke was denying John Kerry Communion because he was pro-choice. Burke was actually bishop of the Diocese of La Crosse and confirmed me. I was sick of that stuff, so a few years later I said screw the church.

    Recently, I have come back and regularly go. My wife and I started marriage prep classes and did them through the Catholic Church. She is Methodist so we alternate services every other week. It goes well and I get a lot of good perspectives. I'm really no gung ho about things but I think the messages are good to live a good life.

  3. #63

    Quote Originally Posted by FueledByEvil View Post
    True. But they should never STAY wrong.
    That's the whole thing.

    You guys keep telling us more about how much of a clueless frauds you are, this topic is beyond uninteresting but not beyond useless at least.

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  5. #64
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by PowerShell View Post
    I was born and raised Catholic. Stopped going at 18 when I wasn't forced to. I come from a strong union family, so we were definitely on the more liberal end of things. I got sick of the theatrics around the 2004 election where then (now Cardinal) Archbishop Raymond Burke was denying John Kerry Communion because he was pro-choice. Burke was actually bishop of the Diocese of La Crosse and confirmed me. I was sick of that stuff, so a few years later I said screw the church.

    Recently, I have come back and regularly go. My wife and I started marriage prep classes and did them through the Catholic Church. She is Methodist so we alternate services every other week. It goes well and I get a lot of good perspectives. I'm really no gung ho about things but I think the messages are good to live a good life.
    Quite honestly, I see things shifting better in the Catholic church since Pope Francis came in. There is more transparency and fixing of previous wrongs, more focus on getting back to social justice over being a one issue focused (anti-abortion), and a lot more open to different people. Quite honestly, it is not going to survive if they don't change.

    Based on yesterday's homily from my pastor, I suspect there is some bigger changes coming soon. He tends to "prep" us when there is changes (such as the stupid word changes when Pope Benedict came in) several weeks before it happens. His homily was about how we need to look at the bible as whole and not focus on one piece of text because it can easily be manipulated (can you see how this could appeal to an ENTP). He specifically said the Catholic Church was looking at this currently. What he was specifically talking about was the "narrow" view of who is considered God's children and deserved to get into heaven (in context to different faiths and people). I am not sure where this is going (though I know the Catholic church has condemned the treatment of immigrants and refugees so it might be related to that) but it was a very specific homily. Anyway, I thought this was interesting.

    I will say, growing up in the Chicagoland area, our Catholic churches tend to be much more liberal than the churches out east so my view of church was very different than my cousins who grew up in small town Pennsylvania. The churches I grew up in were less focused on "the rules" than it seemed their churches were.

  6. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geonerd View Post
    I will say, growing up in the Chicagoland area, our Catholic churches tend to be much more liberal than the churches out east so my view of church was very different than my cousins who grew up in small town Pennsylvania. The churches I grew up in were less focused on "the rules" than it seemed their churches were.
    Growing up in Rural Wisconsin they were a lot more conservative (look up Cardinal Raymond Burke for example; He was the Bishop that confirmed me back in the day). In Austin, they're definitely more liberal.
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  7. #66

    Do not despair!
    I am here!

    I'm ENTP and very religious.
    I don't see why it can't be like any other hobby.
    Theology and philosophy aren't so different and you can talk for hours about it.
    It's a really great way to spend time arguing about what's really important.

    So I'm here for you brother 👍
    Made this account only to comment here.
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  8. #67

    Quote Originally Posted by Debbern View Post
    But I kind of feel like an anomaly within my own type. I've seen the statistics on sites like 16personalities.com. ENTPs are one of the least likely to be religious & politically/socially conservative. Am I really that much of an anomaly? Or am I just falling into the perception as an ENTP that I am not like others? (Even if that is my own type.)
    It's probably more common than what most people think. You'll definitely see more ENTPs as skeptics and dissenters within any religious institution. Considering that we have a logical framework that we use to process and discern information, we're less prone to falling for false doctrine. This tends to come in the form of either adhering to no doctrine or holding any accepted doctrine up to consistent scrutiny.

    You mentioned that you were a Catholic. Consider Anselm, who sought to use his faith to enhance his reason. Christianity offers not only a venue to invest faith (and there's ample psychological benefits to doing so), but also a venue to expand one's own understanding and their intellectual faculties. Most people overlook such details, perceiving the Christian faith as much more one-dimensional and monotonous than it really is.

    Remember that logical framework that I mentioned earlier? ENTPs will take theological and theosophical claims and compare it against their framework; religious ENTPs are certainly out there, as God invites everyone with open arms. What's more, an ENTP can make for a fine apologist, as they're readily able to challenge others with their vast stores of knowledge and wisdom, accrued from their study of scripture and attention to preaching. It's not that ENTPs are so inherently repelled from religion; it is that the new form of "dissidence" is to abandon it entirely as opposed to challenging an institution's beliefs and developing their own doctrine off of their own careful study. History is riddled with ENTPs who have challenged the status quo and church history is no different.

    As per assessing what type you actually are, there isn't enough information to even pass the judgment that you're not an ENTP. Religiosity in and of itself isn't a disqualifier.

  9. #68
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Okupellox View Post
    Do not despair!
    I am here!

    I'm ENTP and very religious.
    I don't see why it can't be like any other hobby.
    Theology and philosophy aren't so different and you can talk for hours about it.
    It's a really great way to spend time arguing about what's really important.

    So I'm here for you brother
    Made this account only to comment here.
    I find space sims interesting.
    I play Magic the Gathering
    I read almost exclusively fiction (religious text included in that fiction).
    Shall I counter spell this argument?

    I opine possibilities of things that are brought forth via imagination.
    It is fun. It can be a hobby. It is worth speaking about to some degree.

    It is not factual and to say out loud as an ENTP that the lord is your personal savior and
    to believe to be true that you will be lifted from the mire, whilst non believers
    get a ride on the short bus through Dante's Inferno? This is.... comically,
    cerebral suicide.

    I have seen a lot in this thread and other threads; this line here....
    Paraphrasing.... Just because we cant prove it does not mean
    it is not....We simply cant understand therefore we deny based on
    our science.

    Problem. Science is nothing but inquiry and
    process. It is not science that disproves religious documents
    it is facts that do so.


    It is our nature to live. To extend that. When forces work against our nature?
    We need to apply a force to that. That force is items like religion. It allows
    us to justify. It allows us to control.

    I will use Catholic for this point.

    One of the popes rings could feed a small nation for a time.
    Jesus would have been proud.

    Usually I get this response...O but that's not the christian lifestyle that I follow.....
    Course its not. Its just the one you feed.

    Someone else can change it. It seems like a lot of work I am but just
    one saved soul.

    Yes. Jesus had the same idea yet he walked the walk, apparently.

    I understand fundamentalist more so then casual religious people.
    At least they live by their conviction. Come life or death. They have
    excepted their fear and went all in on the solution. Not saying it is
    the right solution obviously. But in a strange way they actually
    understand what religion is trying to do. Where casuals are more
    into a sense of self.

    We are getting their slowly... if the casual aspect
    of religion keeps up at this rate then within a few hundred years
    being religious will simply mean being polite, respectful with
    a sense of morality.

  10. #69

    Depends.

    Ive met everything from atheist to ultra guys and gals.

    The way this works is personal experience. The deeper, the more serious entp. The lighter life, the more shallow entp. Simple as that.

    Id even argue this:

    Low income fams -> religious
    Middle -> orientated to living THIS life
    High -> extreme against OR extremely for

    Those are levels of available time in ones life

  11. #70

    So I have to update this thread: I posted a few pages back about having an ENTP roommate who's highly religious...well, he read the 16 Personalites ENFP description and found it uncannily accurate, so we're thinking he's actually ENFP now. His T-F and I-E preferences scores are really close. So maybe I can give him the Cognitive Functions test to see if his Fi or Ti is stronger and let that be the deciding factor. At the same time, the dominant religious stereotype of the ENFP seems to be "vague, undefined, hippie Eastern/New Age influenced spirituality", not conservative Catholic, making him no less of an outlier.


     
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